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871 [lbo-talk] Donate to Wall Street protesters -- rank: 1000

On Sep 21, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Eric Beck wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:01 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote: >> Chomsky means that corporations are undemocratic "private tyrannies" that >> must be restrained by the residual democratic elements of the state. > > Hilarious. Who's going to do it? A spokescouncil?

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872 [lbo-talk] Donate to Wall Street protesters -- rank: 1000

On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > > And it can lead you into Yoshie Furuhashi-style apologetics for the Iranian, >> Libyan, and Syrian regimes, >> > > I must say that after hearing all kinds of histrionics from the breadth of > our political spectrum about Hamas, then experiencing their government for > myself, it's very hard not to be sympathetic to those kinds ...

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873 [lbo-talk] Donate to Wall Street protesters -- rank: 1000

On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: > Oh right: it's infinitely hard, because he's a lunatic. But, hey, he's an anti-imperialist who admires the USA of 1912. Doug

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874 [lbo-talk] Donate to Wall Street protesters -- rank: 1000

On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:57 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > certain soi-disant leftists who are willing to 'give a pass' to Obama to continue to kill people in AfPak Who? Matt Yglesias? John Nichols? SA? Me? Doug

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875 [lbo-talk] Lou Reed & Metallica -- rank: 1000

Yikes! http://www.theawl.com/2011/09/the-first-harrowing-snippet-of-lou-reed-metallica

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876 [lbo-talk] the "what obama really thinks" debate -- rank: 1000

On Sep 20, 2011, at 4:23 AM, SA wrote: > It usually annoys me for two reasons: first, its pervasive evidence-free quality. Second, the endogeneity problem: politicians are notorious for truly believing whatever it's expedient for them to truly believe, so there's always the possibility of reverse causality. (I.e., Obama believes X because he must do X, not vice versa.) > > Having said that: here's some actual evidence!!! > > Enjoy: http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/09/from-ron-s ...

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On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Jim Farmelant wrote: > Truth be told, a lot of this originated with the late Carl Oglesby, > who was a proponent of this stuff even back when was > president of SDS. Oglesby was a long time buddy of > Murray Rothbard, who as a libertarian, had advocated > an alliance with the New Left in the 1960s. Funny you should mention this - Jesse Walker had an interesting obit for Oglesby on Reason's blog: http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/14/carl-oglesby-rip He wa ...

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On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:16 AM, SA wrote: > Yup. It's funny how there are certain leftists who'll flirt with that faction of the right-wing that wants to turn back the clock to 1880 as long as it's against whatever the current war is. They'd never think to give a pass to some apologist for the wars just because he was a liberal New Deal-Great Society diehard. It's part of this imperialism-centric worldview that I assume comes from the New Left generation. And it can lead you into Yoshie Furuhas ...

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879 [lbo-talk] Donate to Wall Street protesters -- rank: 1000

On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Jordan Hayes wrote: >> He may be a libertarian ... > > I don't know if Doug made this up, but I always attribute it to him: the Libertarian Manifesto: > > # "I got mine. Fuck you." I stole it from someone else, who was quoting someone whose name he didn't remember. Doug

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On Sep 19, 2011, at 10:53 PM, ken hanly wrote: > He may be a libertarian but as with many libertarians for example those associated with antiwar.com he is an avid anti-war activist much more so than many Obama liberals. He is often outspoken in his support of civil rights too. Ron Paul? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 Paul wrote of his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964: [It] not only violated the Constitution and reduced individ ...

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881 [lbo-talk] what's left of a 'curious' value judgement -- rank: 1000

On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:26 PM, martin schiller wrote: > On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> The left fascination with a libertarian fundamentalist is really curious, and I don't mean that in a good way. > > Please be bad, and explain. Yeah, he's an anti-imperalist. He's also a right-to-lifer who hates anything like a welfare state. And he loves the gold standard. Doug

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On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:56 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > Paul's opposition to Obama's sponsorship of murderers and banksters is fascinating only because it's unique. > > More curious is that left that believes it must support Obama. Not sure who you're talking about here. Not me, not most of us. Paul would end Social Security and Medicare and the Civil Rights Act. And didn't he name is kid after Ayn? Fuck him. Doug

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On Sep 19, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Joanne Landy wrote: > How about rejecting Obama because of his reactionary policies and rejecting Ron Paul for his (sometimes different) reactionary policies? Well yeah. That's where I am.

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884 [lbo-talk] Donate to Wall Street protesters -- rank: 1000

On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:54 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > The Obama administration kills people & transfers wealth from the poor to the rich. Ron Paul is against both: The left fascination with a libertarian fundamentalist is really curious, and I don't mean that in a good way. Doug

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885 [lbo-talk] Donate to Wall Street protesters -- rank: 1000

On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > Go here to contribute: > > https://www.wepay.com/donate/99275 Can we make them promise not to give any to Ron Paul?

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