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8686 [lbo-talk] Naomi Klein Goes Daft -- rank: 1000

On Feb 6, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 8:47 AM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > >> But they're not really "in place." They're gone in Cambridge and >> Santa Monica, and they're going in NYC. WHere else is there rent >> control in the U.S.? > > 12 California cities have rent control ordinances covering buildings, > while 110 cover mobile home parks. 124 New Jersey cities have rent > control, as does Was ...

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8687 [lbo-talk] Naomi Klein Goes Daft -- rank: 1000

On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Jerry Monaco wrote: > But my question is not to argue specifically for or against one > view or > another but simply to ask: > > How do we know? > > I mean, seriously, how do we know that people in the 1890s or 1930s > or 1947 > were not in favor of massive redistribution of wealth or of massive > expropriation of the rich. How do we know one way or another? The > fact > that it didn't happen is not proof in itself. A lot of thi ...

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8688 [lbo-talk] Naomi Klein Goes Daft -- rank: 1000

On Feb 6, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Jordan Hayes wrote: >> Where else is there rent control in the U.S.? > > Berkeley! :-) The exception that proves the rule! I rest my case.

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Date:	Wed Feb 6 08:53:23 PST 2008

8689 [lbo-talk] Naomi Klein Goes Daft -- rank: 1000

On Feb 6, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Bill Hoffman wrote: > Apart from her use of "average" when "mean" would have been more > accurate, > and probably her intent, I'm wondering about the association of the > relationship with wealth. What nations provide the counterexamples > - for > instance, where most people earn MORE than the mean income... I doubt there are any such nations. E.g., an article by Lars Osberg ["Long-Run Trends in Income Inequality in the Unit ...

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8690 [lbo-talk] Naomi Klein Goes Daft -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 9:59 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > No, but that doesn't alter the likelihood that the governments of the > State of New York or the City of Los Angeles would discard their rent > controls instantly if they thought their populations would stand for > it. Leaving aside the unfortunate leftist tendency to see everything > in terms of cronyism and corruption (and developers and landlords are > very kind to politicians everywhere), the enhanced tax bases alone > ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 6 05:47:36 PST 2008

8691 [lbo-talk] Naomi Klein Goes Daft -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 9:58 PM, Miles Jackson wrote: >> Hmm, she really needs to study some economics. This would be true if >> you substituted "mean" for "average." > > Most statistics textbooks treat these terms as synonyms. What's the > other meaning of average? "Average" is used both as a broad term for measures of central tendency as well as a synonym for "mean." At least that's the way I learned it. In this case, the way NK wrote ...

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8692 [lbo-talk] last minute endorsement -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 9:18 PM, W. Kiernan wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: >> >> This time, I'm with you. I briefly flirted >> with walking the extra block beyond the >> subway entrance to vote for Edwards and >> decided not to. > > What are you going to do in the general? Vote SWP, I think. Not sure though. Doug

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8693 [lbo-talk] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > Why? A hint can be gleaned from the campaign fund stats: > > http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/donordems.asp?cycle=2008 > > Obama's distribution of funds is significantly wider (smaller > donations, more donations) than Hillary's. People do talk with their > money. Hillary's social base of support is narrower and richer. Yeah, but not by all that much. Obama has plenty of support from the FIRE sector. He did quite well wit ...

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8694 [lbo-talk] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > a broader social base of > support makes Obama It's not really organized in any way either. It's more a fan club than a movement, and one intoxicated by his alleged charisma (which, I gotta say, eludes me). How, out of something like that, can you get any accountability? Were Obama to win, he'd take office with the experience of two terms as a state legislator and two years in the Senate, half of which he's spent campaigning for pres. H ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 6 05:33:06 PST 2008

8695 [lbo-talk] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > a broader social base of > support makes Obama The NYT reports that Obama won Connecticut with the support of the young and the rich.

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8696 [lbo-talk] Naomi Klein Goes Daft -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > As landlords never tire of whining, rent control is an expropriation > of their property's productive value - and I don't know of a single > city or state government that wouldn't leap to abolish it if it > weren't tremendously popular. It has been abolished in places - Cambridge, Mass., and Santa Monica come to mind. And it's being gradually abolished in New York City, through vacancy decontrol. And there's been no popular uprisin ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 5 14:56:37 PST 2008

8697 [lbo-talk] Naomi Klein Goes Daft -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Jerry Monaco wrote: > But I wonder is even the statement about expropriation from rich white > owners completely true? I mean how do we know that a majority of > the people > in 1871 were not for expropriating the rich. Expropriating from > the slave > owners was briefly very popular at that time. There have been times when expropriating the expropriators - and not normal style expropriation of the producers - was popular in the U.S., but it seem ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 5 14:32:17 PST 2008

8698 [lbo-talk] last minute endorsement -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Catherine Driscoll wrote: > It's Laclau's "empty signifier", isn't it? Yup. It's stunning how many people who should know better are coming down with the mania though. > Anyway that's my three posts. Hi everyone, nice to be back. Hello, and welcome back! Doug

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8699 [lbo-talk] Naomi Klein Goes Daft -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > "Even in the wealthy United States, most people earn less than the > average income." > > http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080218/klein Hmm, she really needs to study some economics. This would be true if you substituted "mean" for "average." But on the redistribution front, she also needs to study some American history. Expropriation has rarely been popular here. Doug

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8700 [lbo-talk] I hope you all vote(d) for Obama LOL LOL -- rank: 1000

On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:00 PM, shag at cleandraws.com wrote: > this whole obama thing *is* what the working class freakin' wants. Up until now, his support has been pretty upscale. The working class, at least until the recent ObamaSurge, has favored Hillary. Doug

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