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8536 [lbo-talk] Obama & the white guys -- rank: 1000

On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:16 AM, B. wrote: > Does Karl Rove still have his "Obama '08" > bumper sticker on his car -- as he seems to hope that > is who'll win, thinking it'll assure a GOP victory? Watching him on Fox last night - and it's great to have him as a pundit now, the guy really knows his shit - Rove seemed visibly distressed that Obama's winning. It's hard for the right to give up on Hillary. Doug

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8537 [lbo-talk] Obama & the white guys -- rank: 1000

On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Chris Doss wrote: > I had forgotten that individual thought and behavior > are totally irrelevant, sort of like how Hitler being > an anti-Semite didn't have anything to do with > anything. If I were Carrol, I'd say this is a remarkably banal observation. There are a lot of anti-Semites in the world, always have been. How'd that particular anti-Semite come to lead one of the most powerful and "civilized" countries in the world and turn it int ...

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8538 [lbo-talk] Obama & the white guys -- rank: 1000

Ok, say Obama wins. Let's check back in on Jan 20, 2010, and see who was having the hallucinations. On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Max B. Sawicky wrote: > Hallucinatory. > > >> Obama s White Men: Do They Hear Something Blacks Don t? >> Wednesday, 20 February 2008 >> by BAR executive editor Glen Ford > > > > ___________________________________ > http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk

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8539 [lbo-talk] Obama & the white guys -- rank: 1000

<http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=537&Itemid=1> Obama s White Men: Do They Hear Something Blacks Don t? Wednesday, 20 February 2008 by BAR executive editor Glen Ford The corporate media and most Blacks with access to a mass public never seem to seriously examine the meaning of the most dramatic, history-shaking statistic in Barack Obama's march to the White House: he's picking up strong majorities of white men. That's unheard of i ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 20 05:08:50 PST 2008

8540 [lbo-talk] Truly thou art damned, like an ill-roasted egg, all on one side -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Voyou wrote: > Now, running a third-party presidential candidate might in > principle be > an element in a genuine political mobilization, but the point is that > it's the mobilization which is important, not the presidential run. Bingo. Though it would seem that a presidential campaign isn't the place to start a mobilization, but to advance an existing one. Doug

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8541 [lbo-talk] Obama and the Palestinians -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 5:15 PM, abu hartal wrote: > On this letter to Ambassador Khalizad, someone in the cyberworld > raised these reasonable questions: > > "First of all, the only place I could find this letter was on some > message board, a few blogs, and a second-rate news outlet. > > Secondly, is it normal practice for Senators to include a bunch of > '...' in their official correspondences? > > Finally, one of the sources often cited is this Haaretz link. It ...

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8542 [lbo-talk] Obama/Clinton -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:47 PM, abu hartal wrote: > Obama's courage in regards to Israel Ok, you are a performance. That clarifies things. Either that or you missed this: <http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of- Mon-20080121/001788.html> Dear Ambassador Khalilzad, I understand that today the UN Security Council met regarding the situation in Gaza, and that a resolution or statement could be forthcoming from the Council in short order. I urge you to ensure that the Securi ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 19 13:59:58 PST 2008

8543 [lbo-talk] Obama/Clinton -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Immediately after the assassinatin of Bhutto there was a large to-do > concerning what if Pakistan's nuclear weapons fell into the hands of a > "Islamist" government; my memory is that Obama suggested that under > such conditions it would be appropriate to send u.s. troops to > Pakistan. Can anyone confirm or disconfirm that memory? Or this? <http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7590.html> Obama mixes it up ov ...

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8544 [lbo-talk] Obama/Clinton -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Immediately after the assassinatin of Bhutto there was a large to-do > concerning what if Pakistan's nuclear weapons fell into the hands of a > "Islamist" government; my memory is that Obama suggested that under > such conditions it would be appropriate to send u.s. troops to > Pakistan. Can anyone confirm or disconfirm that memory? You thinking of this? Note these were prepared remarks and not an off- the-cuff improvisa ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 19 13:24:10 PST 2008

8545 [lbo-talk] Truly thou art damned, like an ill-roasted egg, all on one side -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Shane Mage wrote: > Doug, you and many others on these lists have pointed out all the > "positions," "advisers." and "roused rabble" that are supposed to make > Barack Obama as totally unsupportable as Frau Clinton. So, from those > believing that, one would expect calls for Ralph Nader (the only non- > Dumbocrat capable of mounting a meaningful third-party campaign) to > enter the race and pledges of active support. ...

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8546 [lbo-talk] at least he's black! -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Dwayne Monroe wrote: > It's done frommage. All done. As he is so often, Dwayne's right on this. Enough. Genug. Basta.

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8547 [lbo-talk] Truly thou art damned, like an ill-roasted egg, all on one side -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 1:25 PM, shag wrote: > nadar Hey, Ralph may be announcing any day now. Then we could have a whole new stupid topic to argue about!

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8548 [lbo-talk] troop size -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 1:18 PM, abu hartal wrote: > Obama's withdrawal of support for the Palestinians is most > troubling, but at least he has said some progressive things in the > past. Which should give you pause about the allegedly "progressive" things he's saying in the present, whatever those might be. Doug

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8549 [lbo-talk] Truly thou art damned, like an ill-roasted egg, all on one side -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Dwayne Monroe wrote: > I've been reading Abu Hartal's "ass kicking", "name taking" posts and > wondering why it's so common for leftists (and not just the silver > tongued AH) to accuse other leftists of being It's been a year and a half since this passage was last posted to this list: > Duccio Trombadori: But still apropos of polemics, you have also > stated clearly that you don't like and will not accept those kinds > of argum ...

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8550 [lbo-talk] military size -- rank: 1000

On Feb 19, 2008, at 12:50 PM, abu hartal wrote: > obviously you did not read the whole website. Obama is the only > candidate humane enough to recognize the humanitarian crisis of the > Iraqi people and he is the only one looking for a diplomatic > solution to the regional crisis. He has also spoken against first > strike threats against terrorist sites. The differences are so > massive that I am bewildered by the constant attempts to deny them. > What's getting in the way o ...

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