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811 [lbo-talk] On Chomsky's remark about Israeli society -- rank: 1000

On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > Analogies are always inexact, and every situation is > sui-generis, but I can't think of a *better* analogy to > Israel than South Africa. As someone pointed out recently - where did I see this? ah the combination of the Internet and my aging memory - with apartheid, SA wanted black labor. Israel doesn't want Pal labor - just land. That's a difference. Doug

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 18:26:41 PDT 2011

812 [lbo-talk] Randists and social safety net -- rank: 1000

On Sep 30, 2011, at 1:20 PM, s11131978 wrote: > On 9/30/2011 1:01 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> Hayek believed in something of a welfare state. Hardcore Austrians sometimes dismiss him as a "social democrat," preferring the more purist von Mises instead. > > Yup. But I don't think the same could be said of Koch or his libertarian institutes. For sure. They're cretins.

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 10:38:56 PDT 2011

813 [lbo-talk] Randists and social safety net -- rank: 1000

Hayek believed in something of a welfare state. Hardcore Austrians sometimes dismiss him as a "social democrat," preferring the more purist von Mises instead. Doug

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 10:01:09 PDT 2011

814 [lbo-talk] Did Ron Paul really say this ? -- rank: 1000

I'd remembered that Goldwater shunned the JBS as nuts, so I refreshed my memory on all this. WFB has an interesting memoir on all of it: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/goldwater-the-john-birch-society-and-me/ ... Time was given to the John Birch Society lasting through lunch, and the subject came up again the next morning. We resolved that conservative leaders should do something about the John Birch Society. An allocation of responsibilities crystallized. Goldwater would seek out an ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 07:01:32 PDT 2011

815 [lbo-talk] The Occupy Wall St library -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2011, at 9:48 PM, // ravi wrote: > I am thinking when I head over to the Occupy Wall St park this weekend, I will take with me a few printouts of our refined host's Wall Street (after suitable donation) to add to their library (http://l.ravi.be/r0Xzj9). Seems appropriate, no? For that noble purpose, no donation required. Thank you. Doug

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 19:14:35 PDT 2011

816 [lbo-talk] Noam Chomsky is losing it -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Julio Huato wrote: > How about Latinos? Are they supposed to abandon their struggle > against their specific forms of oppression, because the various forms > in which their oppression manifests itself shifts historically -- > yesterday it was their territorial dispossession, now it is their > legal status, tomorrow their focus may be on something else? I don't see how anything I've said - or Adolph, whom I mostly channelling - would suggest abandoning ...

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 10:26:06 PDT 2011

817 [lbo-talk] OWS -- rank: 1000

http://lbo-news.com/2011/09/29/the-occupy-wall-street-non-agenda/ The Occupy Wall Street non-agenda I m not here to disparage Occupy Wall Street; I admire the tenacity and nerve of the occupiers, and hope it grows. But I m both curious and frustrated by the inability of the organizers, whoever they are exactly, or the participants, an endlessly shifting population, to say clearly and succinctly why they re there. Yes, I know that certain liberals are using that to malign the protesters. I m not. ...

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 08:29:46 PDT 2011

818 [lbo-talk] Noam Chomsky is losing it -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Joseph Catron wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > > Oh please. This is horseshit. >> > > How so? I'm perfectly capable of talking horseshit, but some elaboration > might clarify your point. Because calling someone who doesn't agree with you on BDS, but who is otherwise no friend of the Israeli government, some sort of settler racist is wildly excessive and offensive. Doug

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 06:18:43 PDT 2011

819 [lbo-talk] Occupy Wall Street -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Julio Huato quoted GG: > Some of these critiques are ludicrous. Does anyone really not know > what the basic message is of this protest: that Wall Street is oozing > corruption and criminality and its unrestrained political power -- in > the form of crony capitalism and ownership of political institutions > -- is destroying financial security for everyone else? Beyond that, > criticizing protesters for the prominence of police brutality stories &g ...

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 05:27:16 PDT 2011

820 [lbo-talk] Noam Chomsky is losing it -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Joseph Catron wrote: > What would be creepy (although not so much as your crude apologetics for > racial supremacy and ethnic cleansing) Oh please. This is horseshit. Doug

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 04:47:49 PDT 2011

821 [lbo-talk] Noam Chomsky is losing it -- rank: 1000

On Sep 28, 2011, at 9:50 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > think it is a good thing that there is some discretion in sentencing, but then there is the fact that this discretion is often used to penalize brown people more harshly than white people. Actually there's less discretion than ever. It's all about mandatory sentencing now.

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Date:	Wed Sep 28 20:10:48 PDT 2011

822 [lbo-talk] Noam Chomsky is losing it -- rank: 1000

On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:51 PM, wrobert at uci.edu wrote: > There has been a history of such > programs being implemented in a manner that reproduces and reinforces > racism. I'm notably thinking about the policies of the New Deal in > this regard. Yeah, FDR was pandering to the white supremacist wing of the Dem party.There were specific exceptions for things like domestic and agricultural labor for racially exclusionary reasons. That was also almost 80 years ago. The Dixiecrats have ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 28 17:48:10 PDT 2011

823 [lbo-talk] Noam Chomsky is losing it -- rank: 1000

On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > Does racism exist or not? If it does, then it should be confronted. I know I resolved to stop this, but HOW DO YOU CONFRONT RACISM? Does it have a home address?

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Date:	Wed Sep 28 17:43:15 PDT 2011

824 [lbo-talk] Noam Chomsky is losing it -- rank: 1000

On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > Actually understanding the social dynamics shaping these things, rather than > falsely treating them as isolated hit-and-runs? > > One cannot adequately grasp relations between Israel and the United States, > Canada, or Australia, for example, without considering the pressure of a > certain kind of settler-colonial racial solidarity. Israel wanted land. Palestinians were on it. They had to be cleared out. Racialization followe ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 28 17:42:36 PDT 2011

825 [lbo-talk] Noam Chomsky is losing it -- rank: 1000

On Sep 28, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > Is "Catrone" retaliation for me always getting your first name wrong? Surely > the least I deserve ... It makes you sound like a Mafioso. Doug

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