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7621 [lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > At the moment I have heaps of apples on my trees Not me. I don't have any trees. But we live in very different places. I'm drinking a lovely glass of California cabernet sauvignon right now. I don't have any vines either. Doug

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7622 [lbo-talk] Obama the devious & slippery opportunist -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > So, are we list members suppose to act all like deputized sheriffs and > enforce our own version of vigilante justice -- pulling the punishment > off the seat of our pants against whoever happens to bug us? No. Rakesh has a history of doing this. He played "Jan Carowan" some years ago and denounced Liza and me as racists for supporting the anti-sweatshop kids. I forgave him, and he did it again. It really pissed me off. If he ...

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7623 [lbo-talk] video -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 6:15 PM, shag wrote: > Teflobama is pretty smooth though. I would like to see him keep up > this > action throughout his presidency. He kinda lost his shit at a presser yesterday - too many questions about the NAFTA memo and Rezko. He cut off questions and walked off stage. There's going to be more of this - the press has been throwing him softballs so far, but no longer. Doug

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7624 [lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Eric wrote: >> Is there anything in actually existing society that you see as a >> model for your ideal economy, or would it have to be created out of >> whole cloth? > > I refuse to answer that, since it would compromise my moral purity. > Heh. > > It's hard to name specific models because I think the key might be in > virtualities instead of actualities, gaps rather than structures. So > I don't know. I'll have to think about i ...

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7625 [lbo-talk] What can we expect from Obama? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:39 PM, S K wrote: > http://www.binghamton.edu/fbc/commentr.htm > > by Immanuel Wallerstein > There is a second kind of stylistic appeal of Obama. He says, over > and over, "Yes, we can!" This is a theme borrowed from the > legendary leader of Hispanic farm workers, Cesar Chavez, whose > slogan was "ˇSí, se puede!" Damn, I thought he stole it from The Pointer Sisters.

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7626 [lbo-talk] vide -- rank: 1000

This link just came in from a publicist. I have no idea what to make of it. Yo Bitch, Hillary is the Shit! <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juD7VgoILIk>

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7627 [lbo-talk] Jay-Z! -- rank: 1000

Gawker reports that Jay-Z is doing robo-calls for Obama in Ohio!!!

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Date:	Tue Mar 4 14:45:47 PST 2008

7628 [lbo-talk] Pacifica news -- rank: 1000

[Nicole Sawaya, whom I don't know but is highly regarded by people I like, was briefly - like a couple of days - the executive director of Pacifica late last year. She left. Now she's back. This was announced just a little while ago. Not sure what it means, but I think it's good news.] This is a message from Pacifica Interim Executive Director Dan Siegel: Dear Friends, I am pleased to advise you that Nicole Sawaya has accepted the offer of the Pacifica National Board to return as Pacifica's ...

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7629 [lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Eric wrote: > Maybe you have something in mind that I'm not thinking of, but > doesn't central planning, even without waged labor, contain an > element of external command that maintains some of the worst things > about capitalism? Is there anything in actually existing society that you see as a model for your ideal economy, or would it have to be created out of whole cloth?

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7630 [lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Angelus Novus wrote: > In a communist society, by definition, the requirement > of more labor to produce the granny smith apple would > be irrelevant. How's that? Suppose one kind is more likely to spoil than the other? Or requires more water or fertilizer, or a certain kind of climate? Marx said somewhere that the allocation of time is the fundamental social problem - I don't see how that can be overcome in a "communist" society, unless that's ...

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7631 [lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Angelus Novus wrote: > Seth: > >> be taken as an endorsement of central planning? > > Yes, but with the major qualification that it would > have to be a central planning without wage labor or > the state Staffed by whom? Volunteers? By randomly chosen citizens, like a jury? Would there be qualifications like technical expertise? Would the plan have coercive power, or just be advisory? For someone like me, who has no fundamental problem with ...

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7632 [lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Angelus Novus wrote: >> Indeed. Parecon retains waged labor and money as the >> general equivalent. How revolting. > > Eric, I could embrace you. The abolition of the > general equivalent, aka money, aka abstract labor, is > precondition number one for transcending capitalism. > Unfortunately, only a handful of people, on this list > myself, Carrol, and Yoshie, maintain this openly. > Although I suspect Doug knows this too. I told &g ...

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7633 [lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Chuck wrote: > Hmmm. I don't recall saying *anything* about how things are run > *inside* > contemporary post offices. I was pointing out the cooperation that > exists between international postal agencies, which isn't > controlled by > some global government. Capitalist firms cooperate too. GM buys parts from vendors. Wal-Mart buys goods from suppliers. Construction projects are managed by general contractors and a host of subcontractors. There's ...

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7634 [lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Chuck wrote: > You are for capitalism? > > Boy, this list has taken some weird turns lately. > > I guess I'm on the wrong list if people here prefer a system where > working people have no say in the decision-making process. Why do you think that management implies that workers have no say? Why not elected managers?

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7635 [lbo-talk] "The Gaza Bombshell" from Vanity Fair -- rank: 1000

On Mar 4, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Bryan Atinsky wrote: > http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804 > > This is a long article, so I only have below the first section: Was this a surprise to anyone in the Middle East? As I recall, Gilbert Achcar said this was Bush strategy when I interviewed him last January <http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio.html#070104>. Doug

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