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736 [lbo-talk] A PR disaster: Five views on Pussy Riot's war -- rank: 1000

On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:15 PM, "Jordan Hayes" <jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com> wrote: >>> So in this case 'kicking the shit out of someone' >>> becomes no longer a crime? >> Well it would be, but I'm hoping the kicker could run very fast. > > Of such subtle distinctions is great law made. I'm not making law.

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737 [lbo-talk] A PR disaster: Five views on Pussy Riot's war -- rank: 1000

On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:05 PM, "Jordan Hayes" <jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com> wrote: > So in this case 'kicking the shit out of someone' becomes no longer a crime? Well it would be, but I'm hoping the kicker could run very fast.

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738 [lbo-talk] A PR disaster: Five views on Pussy Riot's war -- rank: 1000

On Aug 23, 2012, at 12:22 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > Well, they do have "hate crimes" in Europe, no? It's a hate crime to offend/attack a Jewish synagogue, but not a Christian church? I don't like hate crimes laws. If somebody wants to stand on a street corner and denounce Jews and/or Judaism, I'd hope that someone kicks the shit out of him or her, but it shouldn't be a crime. Damaging a synagogue is a crime, and it doesn't need a special designation as a hate crime. Doug

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739 [lbo-talk] Lenin would support Pussy Riot -- rank: 1000

Against the "radicals" defending Putin against Pussy Riot, I offer this bit from Lenin: Why is there not a single political event in Germany that does not add to the authority and prestige of Social-Democracy? Because Social-Democracy is always found to be in advance of all others in furnishing the most revolutionary appraisal of every given event and in championing every protest against tyranny. It does not lull itself with arguments that the economic struggle brings the workers to re ...

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740 [lbo-talk] "Common Sense"???? RE:: A PR disaster: Five views onPussy Riot's war -- rank: 1000

On Aug 23, 2012, at 12:19 PM, "Carrol Cox" <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > I would agree except for the implications of "has turned into." Except for > Putin Mark Jones's prophecy, that Russia would be the "Africa" of the 21st-c > might have been realized. But he _was_ saving Russia for _capitalism_, as he > continues to do. Yeah, but what was the alternative? Complete collapse or wait for a revolution that wasn't going to happen? I don't see a third ...

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741 [lbo-talk] A PR disaster: Five views on Pussy Riot's war -- rank: 1000

On Aug 23, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: > Ravi: "They were arrested for hooliganism" > > [WS:] Hooliganism, like sedition, is mainly in the eye of the > beholder, especially when no physical harm is done. It is basically > Russian equivalent of "disorderly conduct" in the US which can mean > anything that the cop says it does. Maximum penalty in NYC: 15 days. The PR women were facing up to 7 years. Doug

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742 [lbo-talk] A PR disaster: Five views on Pussy Riot's war -- rank: 1000

On Aug 23, 2012, at 12:10 PM, // ravi <ravi at platosbeard.org> wrote: > They were arrested for hooliganism, no? In which case, can I read your question thus: should people go to jail for misbehaving and being disruptive without causing physical harm to others? If not, can you clarify? yeah, there's that, but this guy seems to think that offending people's religious belief should be a crime or something

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743 [lbo-talk] "Common Sense"???? RE:: A PR disaster: Five views on Pussy Riot's war -- rank: 1000

On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Eric Beck <ersatzdog at gmail.com> wrote: > Oh, I assure that this is the least of the gymnastics > anti-PR/pro-Putin forces are performing. See, for example, this beaut. > > http://signalfire.org/?p=20387 What a bag of shit. Perhaps this isn't popular to say, but I think Putin did a good job arresting Russia's total collapse. But now he's turned into a megalomaniacal despot using the revolting Orthodox Church as a prop. Yuck. Doug

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744 [lbo-talk] A PR disaster: Five views on Pussy Riot's war -- rank: 1000

On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Joseph Catron <jncatron at gmail.com> wrote: > The best analysis I've read so far (consisting entirely of common > sense, of course): > "Unfortunately for Pussy Riot, that court of public opinion did not > find in their favour either ..." > > http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/2012823795897200.html Where we also read: > But simply reading the entire lyrics, as translated by the activist website Free Pussy Riot, pose ...

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745 [lbo-talk] Cloud computing sucks -- rank: 1000

On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: > But that further proves the point I made earlier - that this is > replacing a more reliable method with a less reliable one (and more > costly if you factor in the cost of data transfer). This seems to be > the standard modus operandi of the US business - push for the most > expensive and least reliable solution and kill more reliable and > efficient alternatives. Maximize the transaction cost, screw ...

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746 [lbo-talk] Cloud computing sucks -- rank: 1000

On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: > I heard other people complaining about it, in addition to the usual > rant about privacy concerns, especially about Google. Do others on > this list have similar experiences? Depends on what you mean. I like syncing my contacts and calendar across computers and iPhone via iCloud (and I'm iSick of all these iThings). And Dropbox works fine for me - a 30k doc should sync in seconds, not 20 minutes. Something's w ...

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747 [lbo-talk] Mark Ames on Pussy Riot -- rank: 1000

On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:09 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > So the church is legitimating the status quo. And this is unlike what the church does in every other state? Putin is using Orthodoxy in an underhanded way, drawing on its dissident cred from Soviet days. They're fucking with that.

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748 [lbo-talk] Mark Ames on Pussy Riot -- rank: 1000

On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:25 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > How is desecrating a church radical? It's about as petit bourgeois as it gets. Judging from the reaction of mob and state, it's pretty potent stuff. Did you read one of the PR's closing statements, that made the point that Putin is using the Orthodox Church to legitimate his rule? Doug

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749 [lbo-talk] Mark Ames on Pussy Riot -- rank: 1000

Terrific piece by Mark Ames on Pussy Riot: http://nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/pussy-riot

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750 [lbo-talk] Back -- rank: 1000

On Aug 19, 2012, at 7:37 PM, andie_nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote: > I've been on a long hiatus from this list. Couple of years, maybe. Been wasting time on other lists that are not as good as I remember Lbo-talk as being. Welcome back. Traffic is way down. Perhaps it will recover. Doug

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