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7141 [lbo-talk] card check -- rank: 1000

An example of why radicals should watch Fox, and liberals don't: <http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/11/05/watching_fox/> > Fox was a pretty stolid, gloomy-Gus affair during the five hours I > logged as a viewer Tuesday night, with little of the erratic > behavior that accompanied the 2006 midterm elections. OK, there was > bargaining and grumpiness and recrimination and reiteration of > defunct McCain campaign themes and obsessive focus on tiny shreds of > hope (Flor ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Nov 5 09:09:04 PST 2008

7142 [lbo-talk] Patterns -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Julio Huato wrote: > This is an interesting early analysis of exit poll and other data by > Andrew Gelman (Columbia): > > http://redbluerichpoor.com/blog/?p=206 "But there was no massive turnout among young voters. According to the exit polls, 18% of the voters this time were under 30, as compared to 17% of voters in 2004. (By comparison, 22% of voting-age Americans are under 30.)" As James Carville once said, show me a candidate who depends ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Nov 5 08:59:39 PST 2008

7143 [lbo-talk] the white vote -- rank: 1000

Amazing that McCain won the white vote by 12 points and still lost. But, apropos the recent thread on the voting propensities of the white working class, McCain's margin among the under-$50,000 households was 4 points; among the over-$50,000 HHs, 13 points. <http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1>. It was a different story by education, though; white college grads went for McC by 4 points, but non-grads, by 18 points. Doug

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 08:56:33 PST 2008

7144 [lbo-talk] brother can you spare a dime? -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:10 AM, Chris Doss wrote: > Plus, hopefully McCain's political career is over and I will never > have to think about him again. He gave an incredibly gracious concession speech - and had to shush his booing supporters several times. I wonder if he campaigned so badly because he hated being as monstrous as the Rep base required him to be, and now he's sort of relieved it's over and can go about repairing his damaged reputation. That said, I still think he's a scumbag ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Nov 5 08:24:35 PST 2008

7145 [lbo-talk] have to say it -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Anyway, let me be the first to say it: Today we are All Americans. My god. If you're saying this, this is pretty powerful medicine. Doug

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 08:16:43 PST 2008

7146 [lbo-talk] celebration -- rank: 1000

"Every American should celebrate tonight." - Karl Rove on Fox

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 4 20:31:28 PST 2008

7147 [lbo-talk] Doug's Vote -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Yup. I voted for McKinsey and a Green congressional candidate, for a > living wage ordinance. As I recall you've said many times that the white left should accept black leadership. On this, you don't. Why? Doug

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Date:	Tue Nov 4 18:12:20 PST 2008

7148 [lbo-talk] Doug's Vote -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2008, at 4:50 PM, B. wrote: > To just shit all over everyone else's opinions here in the US is > pretty damn smug. Recall what Tariq Ali said in 2004 that pissed off some American leftists: <http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2004/2004-October/024579.html> DH: You've said, on this show among other places, that it's important that Bush lose, which in practical terms means that Kerry must win. Whenever you say these sorts of things you hear people say he's no better, maybe wors ...

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Date:	Tue Nov 4 14:05:34 PST 2008

7149 [lbo-talk] Doug's Vote -- rank: 1000

I also have to say standing in a long line in Clinton Hill really brought home to me what the possibility of having a black pres means to black Americans. I know many of them will be disappointed - and I also suspect many of them know pretty well what's likely to happen. (And it will freak the hell out of a lot of white racists.) Who am I, white boy leftist, to dismiss all that?

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 4 13:29:45 PST 2008

7150 [lbo-talk] Doug's Vote -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Dennis Perrin wrote: > Not that it matters in the larger scheme, since Obama will win NY > and later the election, but I am curious -- why did you, Doug, vote > for Obama, after all the accurate criticisms of him beforehand? My critique of O was that he was basically just another mainstream Dem about whom people had a lot of illusions. As I've said before, there are ways in which a mainstream Dem is better than a Rep, and as long as those are our only choi ...

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Date:	Tue Nov 4 13:24:54 PST 2008

7151 [lbo-talk] Socialist meme gives way to fascist meme -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Chuck Grimes wrote: > I read the above, I went looking for his ``The Economic Consequences > of the Peace'', which he cites in the above introduction. Try this o Good stuff. Keynes is often a really great writer - there's no one in economics, aside from Marx, who comes close. The bits on Wilson in the book are wonderfully cruel. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 4 13:09:03 PST 2008

7152 [lbo-talk] turnout -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Perrin wrote: > Big lines around Ann Arbor as well. Fortunately, I got in and out > within 30 mins. Wrote in Eugene Debs for prez, then for a bunch of > smaller offices I voted Green and Libertarian. But the main reason > for my voting today was to pass ballot measures advancing stem cell > research, and legalizing medical weed. And given the coming chaos, > we'll need all the medicine we can smoke. Shoot me. I voted for Obama - on the Working ...

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Date:	Tue Nov 4 10:58:59 PST 2008

7153 [lbo-talk] McCain supports unions! -- rank: 1000

[from Reuters, via Mike Allen] McCain ... suggested the formation of a labor union to protect the interests of professional boxers.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 4 10:25:29 PST 2008

7154 [lbo-talk] competence, not ideology ... again -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Miles Jackson wrote: > Matt wrote: >> The obsession is not about theft, but about violence. Specifically >> "compulsion" - violence threatened for not following a rule >> (whether it be compulsion to pay a tax or compulsion to not do an >> illegal drug) - is seen as the absolute worst ethical transgression. >> >> With, of course, the exception for self-defense or defense on behalf >> of another. >> > By ...

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Date:	Tue Nov 4 10:22:23 PST 2008

7155 [lbo-talk] What an Obama victory would mean? -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Bob Morris wrote: > Ten reasons why you should ignore exit polls > http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/ten-reasons-why-you-should-ignore-exit.html Yeah, saw that. It's mostly about the overall results. I'm interested in the demographics, and there's no other source for those. Far from perfect, but still better than nothing. Doug

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Date:	Tue Nov 4 10:04:30 PST 2008