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7126 [lbo-talk] the right fulminates -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 3:34 PM, SA wrote: > When has there ever been a populist shift where there weren't > structures in place beforehand to prevent it? I think this is a > tautology. Good point. The first populist moment arose during the First Gilded Age, fer chrissakes.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Nov 5 12:46:49 PST 2008

7127 [lbo-talk] Ralph: Obama an Uncle Tom? -- rank: 1000

Wow, just a little tone deaf? <http://gawker.com/5077489/ralph-nader-asshole>

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Nov 5 12:41:33 PST 2008

7128 [lbo-talk] the right fulminates -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: >> Something's afoot in the popular mood, and it's going to be >> disappointed. We can work with that, no? > > No. Period. No. It won't happen. Bet you're wrong, gloomster. I'm still waiting for you to answer that question about black leadership. Since you reacted to this, you're obviously reading. Doug

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 12:38:04 PST 2008

7129 [lbo-talk] the right fulminates -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Dennis Perrin wrote: >> Something's afoot in the popular mood, and it's going to be >> disappointed. We can work with that, no? > > Ideally. But who's "we"? LBO-Talk? Libloggers? KVH's Nation? You know - activists, organizers, journalists even. > On this I'm with Cmde. Cox -- there are structures in place to > prevent any real populist shift. The proles got their kicks last > night. Time to get on with business. Dennis, why did you ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Nov 5 12:24:33 PST 2008

7130 [lbo-talk] white working class voters -- rank: 1000

[excerpts from the state-by-state analyses - looks like the white working class is more Rep in the South] <http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/Story?id=6189129&page=1> VIRGINIA Working Class: Working class voters--those with annual family incomes under $50,000--voted 62 percent to 37 percent for Obama. But white working class voters voted 57 percent to 42 percent for McCain, little different from whites overall. Working class voters comprised about 30 of all voters in Virgi ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 12:00:50 PST 2008

7131 [lbo-talk] more on the young 'uns -- rank: 1000

<http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/story?id=6189129&page=1> Young voters, while not turning out in disproportionate numbers, overwhelmingly supported Obama, 66-32 percent, smashing the previous records for this group a 19-point margin for Bill Clinton in 1991 [sic] and a 19-point margin for Ronald Reagan in 1984.

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 11:55:52 PST 2008

7132 [lbo-talk] the right fulminates -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Dennis Perrin wrote: > Amusing to watch, I agree. But I fear this is what libs and some > pwogs are gonna do over the next four -- "Look what they're saying > about Our President!" > > Blargh. To paraphrase a National Review editorial attacking LBJ a > couple of weeks after JFK's assassination, it's been a day, and > already I'm bored with the Obama administration. Something's afoot in the popular mood, and it's going to be disappointed ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 11:49:33 PST 2008

7133 [lbo-talk] the right fulminates -- rank: 1000

Damn, it's going to be entertaining to watch the right go nuts. An early taste: <http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjBhMWEyZmZhYTYwZTNlMjIyM2E1NmQwOWUzODBlZTc= > Sour Loser [John Derbyshire] Just watched Wonder Boy s speech. Hmph. Callused hands? When did he ever have callused hands? All right, I'm sour. The most liberal member of the U.S. Senate! And that shakedown-artist of a wife, with the permanent frown! And Joe Biden! I'm sour about the GOP too. What did it all get us, ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 11:33:25 PST 2008

7134 [lbo-talk] have to say it -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:49 AM, shag wrote: > :) yeah, a judgement about last night only, not the whole wardrobe > just to correct any misconception. > > See, I had only had a tiny sip of champagne and I went back into the > living room and looked and asked, "Why is Elvira on stage?" > > Seriously, from a distance it was like a dress Elvira might have > worn -- the red looked like elvis fur attached to the dress. *shrug* <http://www.style.com/stylefile/2008/11/a ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 11:29:08 PST 2008

7135 [lbo-talk] card check -- rank: 1000

Silver lining department - a 52-48 margin on the gay marriage prop is a lot closer than it would have been 4 or 8 years ago.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Nov 5 10:17:35 PST 2008

7136 [lbo-talk] card check -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Mark Bennett wrote: > Looks light Prop 8, an amendment to the California Constitution > outlawing > gay marriage, is going to pass. Yup. The process of civilizing the USA's gonna take some time. But we do seem to be moving in the right direction.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Nov 5 10:15:37 PST 2008

7137 [lbo-talk] pop vote -- rank: 1000

Ralph really knocked 'em dead, eh? He did improve slightly on his 2004 performance, when he got 463,653 votes, or 0.38%. He did beat McKinney handily! CNN's percentage totals look to be a little off - these are mine. With 97% of the vote in... <http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/allcandidates/> Obama 63,237,981 52.40% McCain 55,894,289 46.32% Nader 649,829 0.54% Barr 485,397 0.40% Baldwin ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 10:13:51 PST 2008

7138 [lbo-talk] card check -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:41 PM, SA wrote: > Juan Williams choked up. Which was amazing for a guy who spends so much of his life on Fox.

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 10:00:09 PST 2008

7139 [lbo-talk] the white vote -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:44 PM, SA wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: > >> McCain's margin among the under-$50,000 households was 4 points; > > > So McCain comfortably won the poorer half of whites - and in a year > when the economy is melting down and the incumbent might as well > have molested a child on live television. Surely there must be a lot > of what's-the-matter-with-kansas-ing going on. No? Bartels says they agree with Rep econ policy. And there's also the race a ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 5 09:58:59 PST 2008

7140 [lbo-talk] Patterns -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Dorene Cornwell wrote: > --So how come O is getting all this credit for mobilizing nad > motivating the > under 30 crowd? He greatly improved the D's share of the under-30 vote. They just didn't turn out in disproportionate numbers (though turnout was up across the board). Doug

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