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6796 [lbo-talk] 3rd party candidates drawing minimal support -- rank: 1000

<http://www.gallup.com/poll/111079/ThirdParty-Candidates-Receiving-Only-Minimal-Support.aspx > PRINCETON, NJ -- A recent Gallup Poll in which four third-party candidates were explicitly listed for voters along with the two major- party candidates found only minimal support for any candidate other than John McCain or Barack Obama. Oct 3-5 Sep 8-11 Obama 48% 47% McCain 42 44 Nader 2 4 Barr 1 ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Oct 10 09:19:04 PDT 2008

6797 [lbo-talk] reverse Bradley effect? -- rank: 1000

<http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/A_reverse_Bradley_Effect.html > Polls may underestimate Obama's support by 3 to 4 percent Current polls of the presidential election may be underestimating Barack Obama's support by 3 to 4 percent nationally and possibly larger margins in the Southeast and some strongly Republican states, according to University of Washington researchers. Psychologist Anthony Greenwald and political scientist Bethany Albertson, who analyzed data from the 32 ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Oct 10 09:07:12 PDT 2008

6798 [lbo-talk] Staunch the rhetorical bleeding -- rank: 1000

On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Ann Buckingham wrote: > I'm not alone in wanting the government to confiscate a portion of the > excessive pay the bankers took and use that money before charging > bailout > costs to the middle class. Talk me down- I like this discussion group > because you're so very skeptical of this kind of simple approach. > Hey, you can do both. Make 'em "disgorge" their profits, as they say (always loved that turn of phrase). And deal with the syst ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 20:32:38 PDT 2008

6799 [lbo-talk] Gallup on bailout -- rank: 1000

On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Michael Perelman wrote: > The super rich are able to hide income, making their tax burden look > larger. Yeah, up to a point, but if they were able to hide all of it, they wouldn't whine so much about their tax burden. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 12:54:19 PDT 2008

6800 [lbo-talk] Staunch the rhetorical bleeding -- rank: 1000

On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:59 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > The point is that the money's out there somewhere. We need to give a > good (non-metaphorical) account of why it's not being "loaned." Because those with money are afraid they're not going to get it back if they lend it to those who need it. How much more complicated an explanation do you need?

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 12:30:17 PDT 2008

6801 [lbo-talk] Staunch the rhetorical bleeding -- rank: 1000

On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:26 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > The crisis (literally, a separation) seems to consist of the refusal > of those who own or control money to lend it (it's useless to point > out that "loan" is not a verb) unless they're paid more. No. They're not demanding higher interest rates. Interest rates on interbank loans - which are largely fictitious, since so little lending is going on - are quite high. It's that no one wants to lend the money *at any price*. T ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 11:41:51 PDT 2008

6802 [lbo-talk] insty-book on The Crisis -- rank: 1000

Let me alert you to an 'instant book' from Vox, 'Rescuing our Jobs and Savings: What G7/8 Leaders can do to Solve the Global Credit Crisis': For immediate release, PM Thursday 9 October 2008 RESCUING OUR JOBS AND SAVINGS We are in the throes of what is almost certainly the most serious economic and financial crisis of our lifetimes. The crisis is no longer a US crisis, or even a US and European crisis; it is a global crisis. It has spread from the financial sector to the real economy. It is n ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 10:16:58 PDT 2008

6803 [lbo-talk] Banks To Lend You Your Own Money. -- rank: 1000

On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > It seems more and more misleading to me to address workers as > taxpayers > -- ie., as owners of the state. It is NOT _our_ state -- it is _their_ > state The executive and judicial branches are, for sure; the legislative branch is contested terrain.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 10:14:04 PDT 2008

6804 [lbo-talk] Taxes and bailout -- rank: 1000

On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:22 AM, James Heartfield wrote: > I don't know if I am appealing to a common language that we do not > share, but in the Marxist tradition, it is not usual to take > taxation seriously as a deduction from workers wages Why did Marx & Engels call for a steeply progressive income tax in the Manifesto? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 10:07:00 PDT 2008

6805 [lbo-talk] Gallup on bailout -- rank: 1000

On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > Perhaps. But federal taxes alone cannot support that. State and > local taxes and user fees, more regressive than the federal ones for > sure, have to be included. For sure. CTJ has data on state and local taxes, which are often highly regressive. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 08:37:00 PDT 2008

6806 [lbo-talk] Gallup on bailout -- rank: 1000

On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Andy wrote: > And a wonderfully handy one at that to show anybody who thinks we have > a progressive tax rate. We do. What are you talking about? The higher up the income ladder you go, the higher the tax rate - even after George W's cuts. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 08:00:16 PDT 2008

6807 [lbo-talk] Gallup on bailout -- rank: 1000

On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:05 AM, Lenin's Tomb wrote: > One small > point about this chart, though: it seems to show the share of total > income > tax paid by different income groups. No - the chart shows the effective tax rate by income group - i.e., what people pay (as opposed to the rate on the books) as a percentage of income. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 9 06:18:47 PDT 2008

6808 [lbo-talk] Gallup on bailout -- rank: 1000

On Oct 8, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Lenin's Tomb wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> > wrote: > >> >> On Oct 8, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Lenin's Tomb wrote: >> >> This isn't coming from today's federal budget. It is going to be >> paid for >>> by increased taxation, mostly on the working class. They call it >>> 'tightening your belt'. >>> >> >> Doesn't have to be. Even Bill Clinton ra ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 8 13:06:01 PDT 2008

6809 [lbo-talk] Gallup on bailout -- rank: 1000

On Oct 8, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Lenin's Tomb wrote: > This isn't coming from today's federal budget. It is going to be > paid for > by increased taxation, mostly on the working class. They call it > 'tightening your belt'. Doesn't have to be. Even Bill Clinton raised taxes on the top 1%. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 8 11:05:15 PDT 2008

6810 [lbo-talk] Fweedum! -- rank: 1000

On Oct 8, 2008, at 11:34 AM, shag wrote: > Can someone explain how these two sites are ideologically related? Markets good, governments bad.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 8 08:46:24 PDT 2008