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6601 [lbo-talk] authentically working class -- rank: 1000

On Sep 11, 2008, at 3:52 PM, James Heartfield wrote: > "I subsidize their fucking schools, water projects, highways, and > god knows what else. Least they can do is admit it." > > I didn't know that you dug roads, taught school and plumbed pipes, > Doug. Or is there a new tax-payers revolt in the offing, perhaps? I said subsidize, not build. Taxes from states like New York fund projects in states like Arizona and Alaska, and not the other way around. Then they yelp the ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 11 13:20:51 PDT 2008

6602 [lbo-talk] Bernard-Henri Levy -- rank: 1000

On Sep 11, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Lenin's Tomb wrote: > I have loads of material about BHL in my upcoming book, *The Liberal > Defense > of Murder*. He's authentic ruling class, loaded to the hilt, has > several > mansions, and is deeply imbricated with the PS-wing of the French > political > class. He's a ludicrous character. I interviewed him a few years ago about his search for Danny Pearl, mainly for the kick of interviewing him. He was supposed to come to my office to rec ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 11 13:17:46 PDT 2008

6603 [lbo-talk] authentically working class -- rank: 1000

On Sep 11, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > They talk shit about you, and you talk shit about them. Don't try to > make > yourself out as the poor, innocent, apologetically cringing victim > here. I subsidize their fucking schools, water projects, highways, and god knows what else. Least they can do is admit it.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 11 12:43:05 PDT 2008

6604 [lbo-talk] authentically working class -- rank: 1000

On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:28 PM, James Heartfield wrote: > Ha ha, Doug. You sum the whole problem of the culture wars. Why > reply to the challenge to your authenticity with a rejection of > their's? Yes, it is cobblers (as we say over here) to say that > cities are 'cosmopolitan' and therefore unreal. But lots of people > live in the sticks, too. You don't have to piss on them to feel good. James, I made some arguments using actual evidence on the population makeup of the U.S. and t ...

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Date:	Thu Sep 11 11:45:40 PDT 2008

6605 [lbo-talk] authentically working class -- rank: 1000

On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > It's some kind of "It's a Wonderful Life" hangover. > > Heartfield says the Palin family's problems are ordinary. I'd say > they're indicative of the extraordinary dysfunction of small town > America. To cite just one example, meth use is a huge problem among > kids in the sticks mostly because there's not a fucking thing for > them to do. Talk about no future. Visit an all-night Wal-Mart in > small town A ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 11 10:38:50 PDT 2008

6606 [lbo-talk] authentically working class -- rank: 1000

On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:05 PM, rayrena wrote: > Just to clarify (because you're not explicit on this at > times): You don't think that Palin speaks for or represents > "small-town America" (actual small towns as opposed to > ideological constructs) any more than, say, Rudy Giuliani or > Katrina vanden Heuvel speak for New Yorkers, right? Because > she doesn't, and because "stA" is just as complex and varied > as urban America. And because whoever's values P ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 11 10:14:53 PDT 2008

6607 [lbo-talk] authentically working class -- rank: 1000

On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Andy F wrote: > And even if small-towners represented a larger portion of the > population, what of it? It wouldn't make abstinence eduction reduce > unwanted pregnancies, or make ID legit. No, it wouldn't. But it galls me no end that "small town America" is somehow seen as more real than big town America. Brooklyn, where I live now, is just one of five boroughs in NYC, but it's got more than three times the pop of Alaska. But Palin is "r ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 11 09:52:03 PDT 2008

6608 [lbo-talk] authentically working class -- rank: 1000

On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:15 PM, MICHAEL YATES wrote: > I have to agree with doug vis coments by James Heartfield. I have > criss crossed > the country more times than I can count for many years, talked to > lots of people,been in small towns > everywhere, read many local papers, seen many local TV shows, > listened to talk > shows everywhere, etc., etc. The level of discourse, the knowledge > of the average person, > the intellectual climate, etc., etc. are extraordina ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 11 09:38:10 PDT 2008

6609 [lbo-talk] authentically working class -- rank: 1000

On Sep 11, 2008, at 5:49 AM, James Heartfield wrote: > Doug, corrects me on what America is like: "You really should spend > some time here to get a full taste of it." Which is true. On the few > visits I do make what surprises me is how small-town a lot of > America is, coming from heavily urbanised Europe. So I read, for > example, that 'slightly more than one-half of the nation's > population lived in jurisdictions --- cities, towns, boroughs, > villages and tow ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 11 08:51:05 PDT 2008

6610 [lbo-talk] earmarks, Alaska style -- rank: 1000

On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:01 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> > wrote: > > For me the issue is that these assholes denounce redistribution & gov >> spending and then benefit from it bigtime. > > > If I didn't know better, Doug, I'd think you were accusing these > assholes, > whichever assholes they are, of being politicians. No. The whole Western ideology, which Alaska shares to some degree, p ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 10 18:15:21 PDT 2008

6611 [lbo-talk] earmarks, Alaska style -- rank: 1000

On Sep 10, 2008, at 8:45 PM, Max B. Sawicky wrote: > As Toshiro Mifune said once, "What should peasants do?!?" > > Without the oil revenue Alaska is not a rich state. The Alaska > public sector is well-financed from oil. Personal per capita > income is somewhere above average, but the price level there is out > of sight. > > All this pork/earmark business ma For me the issue is that these assholes denounce redistribution & gov spending and then benefit fr ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 10 17:52:58 PDT 2008

6612 [lbo-talk] Hunan Nonferrous to run Pakistan mine in November -- rank: 1000

On Sep 10, 2008, at 8:08 PM, uvj at vsnl.com wrote: > Hunan Nonferrous to run Pakistan mine in November > http://uk.reuters.com/article/tnBasicIndustries-SP/idUKSHA20038020080907 > > Sun Sep 7, 2008 > > SHANGHAI, Sept 7 (Reuters) - China's top zinc producer, Hunan > Nonferrous > Metals Corp Ltd (2626.HK: Quote, Profile, Research), will start > production > at its partly owned lead and zinc mining project in Pakistan in > November, a > company executive said on ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 10 17:19:05 PDT 2008

6613 [lbo-talk] Vietnam and US hold third meeting on Agent Orange/Dioxin -- rank: 1000

On Sep 10, 2008, at 7:49 PM, uvj at vsnl.com wrote: > September 9, 2008 > > Vietnam and US hold third meeting on Agent Orange/Dioxin > http://www.nhandan.com.vn/english/news/080908/dacam.htm > > Nhan Dan Online - The third meeting of Vietnam - US Joint Advisory > Committee > (JAC) on Agent Orange/Dioxin opened in Hanoi this morning. Was there a point to this?

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 10 17:06:14 PDT 2008

6614 [lbo-talk] lose your house, lose your vote -- rank: 1000

<http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote> Lose your house, lose your vote By Eartha Jane Melzer 9/10/08 6:42 AM Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African American voters The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day. We wil ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 10 16:10:21 PDT 2008

6615 [lbo-talk] Palin & the Jews -- rank: 1000

[this will be interesting to watch - first it's Jews for Jesus at Palin's church, and now this - oh, and by the way, fuck this small town bullshit too] <http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Palins_source.html?showall> September 10, 2008 Categories: Sarah Palin Palin's source Thomas Frank noticed in the Journal today that Sarah Palin used an odd source for a quote in her announcement speech attributed only to a "writer." "We grow good people in our small towns, wit ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 10 15:58:28 PDT 2008