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661 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 11, 2012, at 1:04 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > it's really funny because, in the end, none of you really believe your own bullshit. We all look up to you, because you believe in bullshit, your very own bullshit.

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662 [lbo-talk] Neoliberal Triumph was ] More on BB ... -- rank: 1000

On Feb 11, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > But whichever formula we take, I think my central point remains: The > 'system' was and to too large an extent brilliantly successful. There was no > flaw, fatal or otherwise. It workds. I completely agree. It was a very successful strategy for 30 years. It's now run into a brick wall, though, and they don't have another strategy but more of the same, and I don't think it's going to work this time. Maybe I'm wrong. It won't work economic ...

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663 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 11, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Eric Beck wrote: > Robert's point about violence having historically been mostly > carried out by labor is a good one, and one I hadn't thought of. If, > today, violence were carried out primarily by unionists, would that be > okay or should that also be subject to central committee approval? In > other words, is the opposition here violence as such or is it > anarchism? Speaking for myself, I loved it when the newspaper strikers in NYC in the 1980 ...

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664 [lbo-talk] Neoliberal Triumph was ] More on BB ... -- rank: 1000

On Feb 11, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > What do you think the _purpose_ of the Neoliberal sytem was? I would say > that it was to drive down, relentlessly, the living standards of the world's > working masses. No, it was to raise profits. Similar effect, but the intention wasn't to immiserate the mass but to enrich the owners. Doug

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665 [lbo-talk] Metanathema! -- rank: 1000

On Feb 10, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Billy O'Connor wrote: > Wow, now that you're up in the high-falutin' 3 millions-ese, I suppose > you'll be forgetting all the little people. "Fuck the little people." - Lou Reed

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666 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:56 PM, wrobert at uci.edu wrote: > Thinking back to Doug's earlier comment, I think the fear isn't > necessarily of violence, but of ungovernability, that ungovernability > at times take the form of non-violent civil disobedience (for > instance, a lot of the civil rights stuff in the south was really > designed to shut stuff down, to destroy the workings of segregation > in day to day life), at other times it takes the form of property > destructio ...

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667 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Ferenc Molnar wrote: > Julio Huato wrote: "Graeber's argument sounds to me like (and the anarchists will hate my metaphor) a teenage daughter threatening her parents..." > > > FM: No, no, please, don't stop. I'm enjoying this ... I loved the boy scout metaphor but I'm really into this Manichean conflict between the cancer of passive-reflective lunar-Hegelian teenage-daughter anarchism vs. the cure of adult active-consciousness he-man solar-Marxi ...

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668 [lbo-talk] From Michael Galinsky -- rank: 1000

On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > Doug wrote: > >> Michael Galinsky used to be in the 90s indie band Sleepyhead! > > Interesting. Which instrument did he play? Bass. Their great song, "Communist Love Song" ("I wanna grow my hair real long & smoke a ton of grass/stay up all night every night discussing race & class" ... "those days we spent in Cuba, those are mine"), is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvJpqzFkE_Y > R ...

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669 [lbo-talk] From Michael Galinsky -- rank: 1000

On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > From Michael Galinsky, a video clip of the action on the Occupy the > DOE action yesterday: > > http://vimeo.com/36526142 Michael Galinsky used to be in the 90s indie band Sleepyhead!

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670 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > "in mainstream memory" it was like a cat's meow in the middle of a sound night's sleep. Take a poll asking "mainstream" Americans what happened in "Seattle" and the answers would likely be about 90 percent "no idea," 9.5 percent "what's a Seattle?" and 0.5 percent "wasn't that some sort of riot?" http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/nyregion/wall-street-demonstrations-test-police-traine ...

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671 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 10, 2012, at 10:52 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > wow. that was like almost 11 twitter status updates! 1532 characters! Thanks for doing the math.

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672 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Marv Gandall wrote: > (Interesting comments by Andrew Pollack and Jon Flanders on Lou Proyect's Marxmail list) > >> So last night I went to an incredibly energizing Occupy the DOE (Department >> of Education) event, where 3,000 young, very diverse teachers and students >> tried to stop a vote to close dozens of schools...what if black blockers tried to >> do their criminally stupid acts at an ODOE event?! But of course they wouldn't. Doe ...

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673 [lbo-talk] Rosa on Old Women (Was: Graeber responds to Hedges) -- rank: 1000

On Feb 10, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Tahir Wood wrote: > After my slangy response to the question about 'old women' it occurred to me that the exact word might actually be the adjective 'pusillanimous'. Or, in the immortal phrase popularized by Spiro Agnew - written, I think, by William Safire - "pusillanimous pussyfooters." Doug

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674 [lbo-talk] Graeber responds to Hedges -- rank: 1000

On Feb 9, 2012, at 5:03 PM, c b wrote: > Certainly there shouldn't be any violence by other Occupiers against > Black Blockers. But that doesn't get at assessment of the validity of > Black Bloc tactics. Why r they a good idea to attain the goals of the > Occupy Movement ? Do they help bring the full 99% into the Movement ? I've long argued that if you're going to get any kind of meaningful reforms you need a bunch of scary extremists against which "reform" looks like a com ...

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675 [lbo-talk] Graeber responds to Hedges -- rank: 1000

On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Mark Mendoza wrote: > this is the third or fourth time i've heard David claim he 'started' OWS -- > any thoughts, folks? (the cynic in me wants to recall the classic > stereotype of contemporary anarchists as those who, lacking their own > theories and movements of substance, irrationally claim others as their > own: e.g. the Peter Marshall method: Gandhi? he's one of us! MLK? > anarchist to the core! etc. lol) I don't think he singlehandedly sta ...

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