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646 [lbo-talk] School Debate: Central Focus -- rank: 1000

On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > Doug: "The way other countries do this is the teacher gets the degree > and learns to teach via something like apprenticing for quite a while > with a master teacher." > > [WS:] That is soooo un-American. It takes the management out of the loop. The whole American set-up is crazy. And it's getting worse because it's bringing MBA consciousness to bear. Also, none of the progressive education types I've interviewed on the r ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 15 08:21:35 PST 2012

647 [lbo-talk] School Debate: Central Focus -- rank: 1000

On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > Doug: "American teachers, I'm sorry to say, mostly come from the > bottom third of their college classes" > > [WS:] What makes you believe that an advanced college degree is > essential for successful teaching at the grade level? Some of the > worst teachers I had had advanced degrees but could not teach to save > their lives. What makes successful teaching is the ability to break > down knowledge to manageable c ...

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648 [lbo-talk] Rich prefer public schools? -- rank: 1000

On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > Chuck: "least $150,000 in household income" > > [WS:] That does not strike me as very rich It's somewhere around the 90th percentile in the U.S., and about the 95th in NYC. Not rich, but quite well off.

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649 [lbo-talk] School Debate: Central Focus -- rank: 1000

On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > Tahir: "In South Africa" > > [WS:] This is not not South Africa, in case you did not notice. Here > in the US of A we have a situation in which public education is under > fierce attack from the right under the guise of "helping the kids." But, aside from brutalizing teachers, it's also awful for the kids. So why not call bullshit on the kids' claim at the same time you defend teachers? Also, American teachers, I ...

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650 [lbo-talk] School Debate: Central Focus -- rank: 1000

On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Doug Henwood writes: "It's possible to have more than one goal. What about, > you know, the kids?" > > One can think about all sorts of things at the same time. But it is > profoundly and disastrously wrong, flat wrong, to assume this carries over > to political action. I can understand the use of simple slogans for agitational purposes. But really, just one thing at a time. You will get absolutely nowhere agitating ar ...

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651 [lbo-talk] School Debate: Central Focus -- rank: 1000

On Feb 14, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > The primary concern of leftists in the school debate must be the job > security, working conditions, pay, and benefits of all school employees > (teachers, staff, janitors, etc.) This is not only first, all other concerns > are trivial in comparison with it. It's possible to have more than one goal. What about, you know, the kids? Doug

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652 [lbo-talk] e-Books and (especially) e-Readers -- rank: 1000

On Feb 14, 2012, at 8:29 AM, brandelune at gmail.com wrote: > This simple demonstration shows that the industry that does not want you to share (and that will do everything possible to keep you from doing so) is not Apple: if they could sell you a dozen 400 bucks devices they'd gladly do. It is the publishing industry. Which is not making buckets of money.

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Date:	Tue Feb 14 06:12:36 PST 2012

653 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 13, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Tahir Wood wrote: > This is cloud cuckoo thinking, if only because of the fact that a great many of the people involved and their supporters are not anti-capitalists. Take Lou Reed as a case in point. How'd Lou get into this? Doug

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654 [lbo-talk] Circle of Cooperation: How Establshed, was More on BB... -- rank: 1000

On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Not responsive to my argument, which does not depend on my ownparticular > response to Julio. I have no doubt that wee both the actual Julio and the > actual Cox (neither knowable from lbo exchange) to find themselves within > the same physical circle established by mutual practice that we would find > ways to cooperate. But the persona manifested in Julio > S indifference to establishing the circle of cooperation -- that persona ...

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655 [lbo-talk] Circle of Cooperation: How Establshed, was More on BB... -- rank: 1000

On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Perhaps not, but the arrogance of simply assuming the content of "us" simply > places Julio, in so far as he does assume this, among those with whom one > definitely does NOT want to cooperate. Julio's my friend, neighbor, and comrade. I'd cooperate with him on almost anything. Get over yourself. Doug

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656 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 11, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: > Yes, that was my point. Sorry, I was being excessively obnoxious. Excessively? Not with the competition around here, and I mean that as no insult to your skills. Doug

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657 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 11, 2012, at 3:26 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > rolling. this is exactly the argument antifeminist men use against feminism. > > goshes! you say that feminists DO wear high heels and push up bras. But that one over there, she says that heels are like Chinese footbinding. What is it? You must be lying or just politically idiotic, erm, enthralled by a cute label which really just means a man dumped you once and now you hate all men. > > also had the same arguments applied by ...

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Date:	Sat Feb 11 12:41:13 PST 2012

658 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 11, 2012, at 2:42 PM, // ravi wrote: > does an it exist for Bolshevik organisations? Not since the actual Bolshies, I'd say.

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659 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 11, 2012, at 2:34 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > take it up with your therapist, mmkay. God, you're obnoxious.

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660 [lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders -- rank: 1000

On Feb 11, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Angelus Novus wrote: > Eric wrote: > >> How come opponents of BB and anarchism never take it seriously (or, > in shag's terms, respect it)? > > The problem is rooted in the ambiguity of the very term "anarchism". > > On the one hand, there's "Anarchism" properly speaking, a historical tendency within the labor movement tracing its roots back to the Bakunin wing of the First International, and later theoretically elaborat ...

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