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6346 [lbo-talk] good morning my fellow ecosystems -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > Not to argue against the uniqueness of language -- or humans > for that matter -- but it is awfully difficult to pin down > where that uniqueness lies. Bees, for example, seem to be able > to tell other bees about sources of nectar "elsewhere." <http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch07.htm> "A spider conducts operations that resemble those of a weaver, and a bee puts to shame many an architect in ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Apr 16 18:28:44 PDT 2009

6347 [lbo-talk] changing times -- rank: 1000

[from Tom Heald's Pridelets] Pridelets for April 17 On this day in 1965, the Mattachine Society of Washington pickets the White House to protest treatment of gays in both the United States and Cuba On the march are demonstration leader Jack Nichols, MSW head Dr. Frank Kameny, Gail Johnson, Gene Kleeberg, Judith Kuch, Paul Kuntzler, Perrin Shaffer, Jon Swanson, Otto Ulrich, and Lilli Vincenz. Says Jack Nichols of the event, "Never before had gay people as an organized group paraded openly f ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 16 11:38:38 PDT 2009

6348 [lbo-talk] good morning my fellow ecosystems -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Jordan Hayes wrote: >> Honey? Bees are animals? > > Bees are enslaved! > > http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm Yikes. "...if honeybees don't merit respect, that would also leave earthworms vulnerable to dissection in biology classes..." Is Andy Borowitz moonlighting?

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Date:	Thu Apr 16 07:43:53 PDT 2009

6349 [lbo-talk] good morning my fellow ecosystems -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2009, at 9:57 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > Veganism -- the practice of shunning not only meat but also foods that > contain any animal products, like milk, eggs and honey Honey? Bees are animals?

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Date:	Thu Apr 16 07:10:41 PDT 2009

6350 [lbo-talk] GE to CNBC: cool it on the Obama-bashing -- rank: 1000

New York Post [Page Six] - April 16, 2009 <http://www.nypost.com/seven/04162009/gossip/pagesix/cnbc_sweats_obama_bashing_164608.htm > CNBC SWEATS 'OBAMA-BASHING' THE top suits and some of the on-air talent at CNBC were recently ordered to a top-secret meeting with General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt and NBC Universal President Jeff Zucker to discuss whether they've turned into the President Obama-bashing network, Page Six has learned. "It was an intensive, three-hour dinner at 30 ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 16 07:09:37 PDT 2009

6351 [lbo-talk] good morning my fellow ecosystems -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Chris Doss wrote: > Aren't moral superiority and misanthropy standard charges against > leftists? Yeah, and sometimes they're true. At the risk of invoking the moral wrath of the Prophet Carrol, I'd say that I've met more than a few leftists who love The People but really don't seem to enjoy the company of actual people. But the "something better than yourself" sig line invites that interpretation, without making any wild leaps. Doug

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Date:	Thu Apr 16 06:58:59 PDT 2009

6352 [lbo-talk] good morning my fellow ecosystems -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2009, at 12:07 AM, ravi wrote: > On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: >> Dennis Claxton wrote: >>> >>> For example, what's the thinking behind this sigline of yours? >>> Support something better than yourself ;-) PeTA >> > > As the smiley indicates, it s a dig, a tease. Do you really think > that I believe some living thing (X) is better than some other > living thing (Y)? And if I did, that saying so would actually help ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Apr 16 04:42:35 PDT 2009

6353 [lbo-talk] Lenin quote -- rank: 1000

On Apr 15, 2009, at 11:29 PM, comvox at flash.net wrote: >> From the "Report on the International Situation and the Fundamental >> Tasks of > the Communist International", July 19, 1920, at the 2nd CI Congress: > > "Comrades, we have now come to the question of the revolutionary > crisis as > the basis of our revolutionary action. And here we must first of all > note two > widespread errors. On the one hand, bourgeois economists depict this > cr ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 15 20:40:25 PDT 2009

6354 [lbo-talk] good morning my fellow ecosystems -- rank: 1000

On Apr 15, 2009, at 10:20 PM, ravi wrote: > On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: >> On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Chris Doss wrote: >> >>> Hell, you don't even know that other adult human beings suffer. >>> You could be the only one, a special mutant. >> >> Adults can tell me, and that gives humans a special place in my >> heart, even if they're too young to speak. > > > I find this argument weak, unless you follow through th ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 15 20:39:20 PDT 2009

6355 [lbo-talk] Lenin quote -- rank: 1000

Hmm, looking through Russell Jacoby's article on the history of crisis theory in Marxism, I see nothing like the Lenin quote. It's certainly not against the drift of Lenin's thinking, though. E.g., Lenin on Luxemburg: "It pleases me very much taht you in the main point came to the same result that I 14 years ago defended against Tugan-Baranowsky and the 'populists,' namely that the realization of surplus value even in a 'pure' capitalist society is possible." Later, "I have ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 15 18:38:20 PDT 2009

6356 [lbo-talk] Rise of Nasty Right -- rank: 1000

On Apr 15, 2009, at 6:35 PM, Sheldon wrote: > Not to detract from the facinating conversation about language. But > you seem to ignore or dismiss my point. I am not sure about how Dems > thrive on this stuff, and I am not too worried about these particular > fascists actually taking over. > > However, it does seem like there is a sub-culture of right-wing > paramilitary types that are persistently present in American society, > and they occasionally demonstrate their pr ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 15 15:42:25 PDT 2009

6357 [lbo-talk] Lenin quote -- rank: 1000

By the way, anyone know where this quote in the Laibach email comes from? > TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF THE PRESENT CRISIS FOR > CAPITALISM IS AN ERROR. (V. I. LENIN)

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Date:	Wed Apr 15 13:36:17 PDT 2009

6358 [lbo-talk] good morning my fellow ecosystems -- rank: 1000

On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Chris Doss wrote: > Hell, you don't even know that other adult human beings suffer. You > could be the only one, a special mutant. Adults can tell me, and that gives humans a special place in my heart, even if they're too young to speak.

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Date:	Wed Apr 15 13:34:35 PDT 2009

6359 [lbo-talk] good morning my fellow ecosystems -- rank: 1000

On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Chris Doss wrote: > Try "brain, consciousness, and ability to suffer." How do you know?

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Date:	Wed Apr 15 13:14:54 PDT 2009

6360 [lbo-talk] Rise of Nasty Right -- rank: 1000

On Apr 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Sheldon wrote: > Lets try free association: > 90s Democratic president, conspriracy theories, militias, Timothy > McVeigh gulf war veteran blows up Federal building, "they're coming to > take our guns away", > Now, lots of conspiracy theories, Black "socialist" president, > "they're coming to take our guns away" rhetoric is rampant etc. > > Even the mainstream conservative movement is becoming unhinged. > Perha ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 15 13:04:55 PDT 2009