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6241 [lbo-talk] The extreme Google brain -- rank: 1000

On Apr 28, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Chuck Grimes wrote: > We live in a very ugly culture in the US. I agree with what you wrote, but why does Apple make non-ugly stuff? They do resist the temptation of going after a commodity product - a way of saying their stuff is expensive, and good design helps justify high prices - but why the impulse in a largely LCD (lowest common denominator, not liquid crystal display) market? Doug

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Date:	Wed Apr 29 05:04:28 PDT 2009

6242 [lbo-talk] U.S. auto sector socialized! WITBD? -- rank: 1000

On Apr 28, 2009, at 7:02 PM, James Heartfield wrote: > By all means, lets look at the UAW-GM deal, but is it likely that a > positive outcome will arrive by chance? Did the UAW fight for a > workers' control? Did a revolution happen without us knowing? Or did > the employing class fumble the ball? Scepticism might be a way of > avoiding looking at what is new, but there is no need to be naive. To whom is this addressed? I don't recall anyone being naive, though I do recall one or ...

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6243 [lbo-talk] U.S. auto sector socialized! WITBD? -- rank: 1000

On Apr 28, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Evenn the "real" socialism instituted by Labor in the 1940s -- it > never > really put even a serious dent in English capital, and for several > yers > now even the Nztional Health Service has been under pressure. It is a > rather disghusting perversion of the meaning of 200 years of socialist > struggle to dignify mere nationalization as even a distant cousin of > socialism. I'm talking about the United Fucking A ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 28 13:00:29 PDT 2009

6244 [lbo-talk] U.S. auto sector socialized! WITBD? -- rank: 1000

On Apr 28, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Steven L. Robinson wrote: > I can't believe that the US Gov would GIVE the auto workers anything > such as stock ownership without getting something in return. > > Presumably, if the UAW is going to have an ownership stake in GM or > Chrysler, than it would follow that they would have to come up with > some money [in the form of pension funds, perhaps]. or > consideration in some other form (deferred raises, if there are any > left that haven ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 28 12:58:37 PDT 2009

6245 [lbo-talk] feminist p*rn awards -- rank: 1000

<http://bit.ly/MpVJy> By Lux Alptraum, 5:30 PM on Mon Apr 27 2009, 3,988 views In one sense, as long as there is hot feminist p*rn out there, we're all winners. In another, more important way, these people actually have trophies from The Feminist P*rn Awards so they're the real winners. The 2009 Good For Her Feminist P*rn Award winners are: ...

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6246 [lbo-talk] U.S. auto sector socialized! WITBD? -- rank: 1000

On Apr 28, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Referrig to this as in any remote way of any interest whatever to > leftists makes me so sad I can't even bother to argue it.The workers > are being screwed out of their decent wages and their benefits. Really, Carrol, what planet do you live on? The UAW is handed controlling interest in one auto company and a very large minority stake in another. And you don't think it presents interesting questions? You don't think the union - which ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 28 11:09:32 PDT 2009

6247 [lbo-talk] Depression angst -- rank: 1000

Not sure what this means, but I see the Intrade.com U.S. depression contract is back down to 16, from its Feb high over 50. Doug

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Date:	Tue Apr 28 10:33:34 PDT 2009

6248 [lbo-talk] U.S. auto sector socialized! WITBD? -- rank: 1000

On Apr 28, 2009, at 1:13 PM, farmelantj at juno.com wrote: > Well right now, this looks like lemon socialism. > I would think that it is up to us to make into > something more. Well, yeah. But is there anyone who's actually thought about this? The WSJ piece I just read said the gov plans to keep its GM stock in a trust, presumably delegating responsibility to "professional" managers. Dunno if they can get away with this, but it suggests the Obama admin is not interested in ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 28 10:21:52 PDT 2009

6249 [lbo-talk] U.S. auto sector socialized! WITBD? -- rank: 1000

On Apr 28, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Steven L. Robinson wrote: > And if Chrylser eventually goes bankrupt, where does that leave the > UAW and its retirees? Will their "equity" be wiped out along with > the other investors? Yeah, of course.

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6250 [lbo-talk] a Specter is haunting the GOP... -- rank: 1000

On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:54 PM, farmelantj at juno.com wrote: > It looks like the GOP is going to > be pretty much dead in the Northeast > and the far West. It's dying in the upper midwest too.

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Date:	Tue Apr 28 10:08:35 PDT 2009

6251 [lbo-talk] U.S. auto sector socialized! WITBD? -- rank: 1000

So with the UAW about to control 55% of Chrylser, and the U.S. gov likely to take a majority interest in GM (with the UAW holding a large stake as well), this means the effective socialization, at least in potential and/or theory, of a large chunk of the U.S. auto sector. What does this mean? Does anyone know what to do with it? Or is this just lemon socialism on a very large scale? Has anyone thought about this?

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Date:	Tue Apr 28 09:55:14 PDT 2009

6252 [lbo-talk] a Specter is haunting the GOP... -- rank: 1000

POLITICO Breaking News: ----------------------------------------------------- Veteran Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter will announce today that he's leaving the Republican Party to become a Democrat, sources tell POLITICO. For more information...http://www.politico.com

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Date:	Tue Apr 28 09:45:09 PDT 2009

6253 [lbo-talk] what passes for good news these days! -- rank: 1000

News Alert from The Wall Street Journal U.S. home prices continued their multiyear slide in February, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller home-price indexes, but they did stop their 16-month streak of record declines. "While the declines in residential real estate continued into February, we witnessed some deceleration in the rate of decline in some of the markets," said David M. Blitzer, chairman of S&P's index committee. Still, 10 of the 20 metro areas reported record year ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 28 07:57:38 PDT 2009

6254 [lbo-talk] more FGT -- rank: 1000

<http://filthygorgeousthings.com/voyeur/lust-debauchette> When I sat down to begin my column, I was going to start with something else, but I realized that it would be disingenuous to dismiss my roots. Feminism led me to this, the whoring, the slutting, the quiet periods of careful consideration, because at its core, I consider feminism to be about varied perspectives, freedom, and choice. And while I prefer to keep my sex and my politics separate, it remains as the foundation to my ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 27 13:26:59 PDT 2009

6255 [lbo-talk] new site -- rank: 1000

A little off topic for lbo-talk, but a new site about s*x "for artists, thinkers, sensualists, and fuckers" debuts today: F/ lthyGorgeousTh/ngs. Among the parties producing the site is debauchette, a smart sexworker/writer with an eye for beautiful photos. (For a taste of her stuff, see: <http://debauchette.tumblr.com/>.) And here's a taste of FGT, with a nice philosophical lede just to give it some intellectual heft for all you serious types out there: <http://filthygorge ...

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