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5611 [lbo-talk] The reds buy Shelley (Was Re: How Politics Ruined My Life: -- rank: 1000

On Jan 15, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > andie nachgeborenen wrote: >> >> Byron, if you can stomach him. > > Hey, what's wrong with Byron. The only book I ever read that made me > sad > when it ended was Don Juan -- I wanted it to go on and on! I agree. And "So We'll Go No More A-Roving" is a lovely lyric. Doug

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5612 [lbo-talk] O's sit-down with the left -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Matthias Wasser wrote: > No, no, of course, and you could make that comment about any of the > people listed; I just found it amusing that among their numbers one > who isn't even center-left by self-identification. Rachel Maddow is either the real thing or a good approximation. Doug

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5613 [lbo-talk] O's sit-down with the left -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Matthias Wasser wrote: > Ah, yes, Andrew Sullivan, that famed man of the left... Joke. It's what passes for the left in DC. Interesting that Krugman said no. He probably wanted a private audience.

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5614 [lbo-talk] rednecks disappearing! -- rank: 1000

<http://wonkette.com/405437/nate-silvers-magic-numbers-prove-rednecks-dont-exist > OUR VANISHING CRETINS Nate Silver s Magic Numbers Prove Rednecks Don t Exist Statistics freak Nate Silver was supposed to go away after the election, which he rigged with algebra or something in order to create the first black president, which is the ultimate political statistic, for masturbating. Now the fivethirtyeight.com sensation has a column in the gay fashion glossy, Esquire. It s kind of interest ...

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5615 [lbo-talk] How Politics Ruined My Life: Was Fuck Hope -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Peter Ward wrote: > I'd recommend Orwell's "Writers and Leviathan"--as well as many > other of his articles --in connection with this thread (http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/leviathan/english/e_wal > ) -- > > "I often have the feeling that even at the best of times literary > criticism is fraudulent, since in the absence of any accepted > standards > whatever any external reference which can give meaning to the > stat ...

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5616 [lbo-talk] O's sit-down with the left -- rank: 1000

<http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/obama_meets_with_the_centerlef.php > 14 Jan 2009 02:25 pm Obama Meets With The Center-Left 9:45 a.m., in the transition office, President-elect Obama, meeting with: the Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan, CNN's Roland Martin, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, the Washington Post's Gene Robinson, the Boston Globe's Derrick Z. Jackson, the one and only Maureen Dowd, the New York Times's Frank Rich, the Wall Street Journal's Jerry Seib, Atlantic politic ...

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5617 [lbo-talk] How Politics Ruined My Life: Was Fuck Hope -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Chris Doss wrote: > Do Pound's politics make his poems any less beautiful, or Wagner's > his music? Of course not. It's silly. They're problems. I can't just forget about them. I love them despite the odious stuff. Doug

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5618 [lbo-talk] How Politics Ruined My Life: Was Fuck Hope -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Chris Doss wrote: > Somebody's politics are completely irrelevant to the quality of > their artistic output, as is their personal morality. It's a tekhne, > a craft. Might as well refuse to admire desks made by right-wing > carpenters. Well I dunno about that. Works of art are filled with politics - you can't miss it in Stevens or Pound (or Eliot or...). Doug

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5619 [lbo-talk] WaPo: Obama Shelves Jobs-Credit Proposal -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Charles Brown wrote: > Stunned silence from list anti-O crowd who have been saying for a > while that tax-cuts for business aren't left...?... Uh, Congressional Dems kinda bludgeoned him into it.

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5620 [lbo-talk] How Politics Ruined My Life: Was Fuck Hope -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 3:55 PM, John Gulick wrote: > I wasn't aware that Ms Dion wrote her own lyrics but what does > she have to do with conservative politics anyway? <http://www.newsweek.com/id/67927> "I'm a little bit spinning," she says. She also seems a little bit sheltered. This year Hillary Clinton selected Céline's song, "You and I," as her campaign anthem. But Céline couldn't care less about Hillary's campaign. "I know nothing about it," she say ...

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5621 [lbo-talk] Eyes on the Prize -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 3:32 PM, dredmond at efn.org wrote: > SEIU has zip to do with Governor Blag-o-Swag, who was no friend of > labor > and ran a neo-Clintonite austerity regime which pissed off everyone in > Illinois. Not exactly - didn't SEIU contribute to his campaign and get the nod to represent child care workers in return? (Sorry I know "in return" is tendentious. Maybe it's just a coindidence.) Doug

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5622 [lbo-talk] How Politics Ruined My Life: Was Fuck Hope -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Ismail Lagardien wrote: > i am soooo very jaded, for instance, I started watching (not > regularly) Everybody Loves Raymond between 6 - 8 when I took a break > from work to cook/eat blah... then I found out that Patricia Heaton > was a religious bigot who attacked Michael Fox for milking his > parkinsons.... OUt with Everybody Loves Raymond. On the other hand, Wallace Stevens and Ezra Pound had horrible politics, but they wrote some pretty good poems ...

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5623 [lbo-talk] more realignment -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: > Realignment on which side? Perhaps the said "luminaries" are fed up > with the redneck populism that Karl Rove and his cronies brought to > the Repug party and try to re-align themselves away from it, no? Further evidence in favor of Adolph Reed's realignment thesis: Obama wants to peel off the respectable right to make a broadly centrist party, with the extremes of left and right left to fend for themselves.

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5624 [lbo-talk] the audacity of hope -- rank: 1000

On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:38 AM, Michael Perelman wrote: > Barbara, daughter of Michael Ledeen? I think so. Second wife, sez Wikipedia.

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5625 [lbo-talk] the audacity of hope -- rank: 1000

On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:04 PM, SA wrote: > It's utterly amazing to see the kind of bullshit some Dems are > capable of persuading themselves to swallow..... > > -- > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/clinton-sympathizes-with_n_157487.html?view=print > > Clinton Sympathizes With Palestinians In Confirmation Hearing > > by Ryan Grim Wow. He's a friend of Christian Parenti's - I'm surprised by this. Anyway, I just got this from a repulsive PR shop calling itself ...

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