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4711 [lbo-talk] more noxious crap -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Michael Pollak wrote: > And that's the this: the opposite of conservative is liberal. And > if the Nation asked the question Is Obama A Real Liberal? they'd not > only have to answer it emphatically Yes, so would you and Doug. I don't. Liberalism is a mushy philosophy. It's watered down social democracy, which is itself watered down socialism, with a dose of imperial self-righteousness thrown in. Actually I'm not even sure of that. Who's a liberal? Obama? ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 18:16:07 PDT 2009

4712 [lbo-talk] more noxious crap -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 8:24 PM, SA wrote: > In August 1971, the NR sponsored a declaration of "Suspension of > Support" for Nixon signed by Buckley and 10 other luminaries of the > right. (The trip to China, wage and price controls, etc.) They ended > up endorsing Nixon in 1972 based on the argument that while Nixon > was horrible, a state of emergency existed due to the threat of > McGovern. William Rusher, the publisher, wrote a dissenting > editorial saying Nixon sh ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 17:57:00 PDT 2009

4713 [lbo-talk] more noxious crap -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:57 PM, SA wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: > >> Some of us are on the masthead of the thing, you know. > > Then you're one of the friends of the capitalists, too. Busted.

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4714 [lbo-talk] Polonoski..Matt wrote -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:53 PM, parthasarathy kalalesrinivasaranga wrote: > A 13 year old might even enjoy a forced sex..simply she lacks the > ability to > grasp the implications.it was the elders's responbility here tht hs > failed..the girl is innocent. Enough on this please!

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 15:22:16 PDT 2009

4715 [lbo-talk] more noxious crap -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > At 01:56 PM 10/2/2009, Carrol Cox wrote: >> All the bellyaching in the world abut the Nation will not change a >> fucking >> thing. >> > > > They're observations nimrod, not bellyaching Some of us are on the masthead of the thing, you know.

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 14:38:41 PDT 2009

4716 [lbo-talk] what makes the Dems so great -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Socialism or barbarism. We have the latter. We have had it for a > century. And yet people keep thinking that somehow the people up there > ought to make that barbarism more comfortable for us. And when they > fail > to do so we whine and call them tools and scumbags, and claim they > are > not doing their job. But they are. So let me see if I have this clear - we have barbarism without barbarians. Can we have socialism witho ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 13:21:47 PDT 2009

4717 [lbo-talk] fresh punditry -- rank: 1000

Fresh punditry on changieness, Obama's Olympic flackery, the miserable job market: http://bit.ly/3K4ppj

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 13:20:49 PDT 2009

4718 [lbo-talk] more noxious crap -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > Doesn't it sound silly to you to say "The Nation is merely doing > what it exists to do"? We're not talking about thunder and > lightning or the rain. We're talking about people who do, after > all, make their own history. Carrol has no interest in human agency or the functioning of institutions. We're all just dust in the wind, man.

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4719 [lbo-talk] more noxious crap -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > This is silly. They are not scumbags and tools. They are Democrats. > And > there is nothing wrong with the Nation; it is merely doing what it > exists to do. You are blaming the rain because it wets you. You seem > to > think that capitalists and its friends ought to lead the way to > socialism. But that is not the way the world operates. Thanks! Without you, I wouldn't know what to think.

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 13:15:59 PDT 2009

4720 [lbo-talk] what makes the Dems so great -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Alan Rudy wrote: > His national popularity hasn't fallen 14 points because of > dissatisfaction > on the left, it has fallen because liberals and independents who > thought his > administration would be more proactive, more calculating, more > careflul, > more dynamic and more aware of how the Repugs were going to play the > game > have seen - beyond a superficially good, but foundationally weak, > speech - > nothing like that. I'm sor ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 11:39:13 PDT 2009

4721 [lbo-talk] what makes the Dems so great -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: >> When he was running many of us >> pointed out that he wasn't running as a leftist. So, it's a bit >> "smug" >> to claim he's betraying the left. > > > Who said anything about betraying the left? Not me. I said all along that the leftists who thought he was anything but a corporate-friendly DLC type were deluding themselves, and by god I was right.

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 11:33:15 PDT 2009

4722 [lbo-talk] Obama agrees to keep Israel's nukes secret (shhhhh....no one knows...) -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Bryan Atinsky wrote: > Well, unlike Iran, Israel is not a state where religious authorities > hold official state power and which is embroiled in aggressive wars > with their neighbors in the region...or...wait...nevermind... I once asked a guy from the Council on Foreign Relations why it was ok that Israel had hundreds of bombs and Iraq wasn't allowed just one. What's the standard? Is it just countries we like? He sputtered some, said it was an outrageous ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 10:42:50 PDT 2009

4723 [lbo-talk] what makes the Dems so great -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > At 08:06 AM 10/2/2009, c b wrote: > > >> CB: What makes email list pundits so great ? > > > I never get this. When people are elected to office it's like > they're hired to do a job. If they don't do the job they open > themselves for criticism. > > So what is a smug question like you're asking intended to say? Don't criticize Obama!

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 10:19:42 PDT 2009

4724 [lbo-talk] New Republic -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:07 PM, SA wrote: > I didn't know Ridgeway and Kopkind were at the New Republic...I > would guess this was before the Peretz regime? Way before! That's the era when my father-in-law worked there too. And Ralph Nader walked in off the street with his stuff about auto safety. Doug

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Date:	Fri Oct 2 10:17:27 PDT 2009

4725 [lbo-talk] New Republic -- rank: 1000

On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Michael Perelman wrote: > How was the NR able to accomodate Ridgeway and Kopkind a few years > later? National Review, man. The usual abbreviation for The New Republic is TNR.

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