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4666 [lbo-talk] Adolph Reed responds to Alan Rudy -- rank: 1000

On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:38 AM, brad bauerly wrote: > "...who the hell does Michaels think is his audience?" > > Not sure but it seems to be the crowd that keeps screaming at the > working > class that the problem is that it is racist, sexist, homophobic and > generally backwards The liberal philanthropies are major funders of this sort of thing.

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4667 [lbo-talk] Michaels, Against Diversity -- rank: 1000

On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > Why did he need to point out anything about how their politics is to > focus "especially" on rooting racism, etc. out of "others"? Does he > have evidence of this? See the works of Tim Wise.

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4668 [lbo-talk] benn der, dun dat -- rank: 1000

On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:14 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > do you think that, if everyone has an _equal opportunity_ because > their schools are all equally funded, that they will now get into > Harvard, Yale, and Princeton? No. Who does expect that? I said education is "one of the mechanisms" that reproduce class. How did you get to that question from my statement? Or from anything Michaels said either? Doug

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4669 [lbo-talk] Michaels, Against Diversity -- rank: 1000

On Oct 6, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Joanna wrote: > Of course "diversity" and "multiculturalism" is good for capitalism: > it introduces more choices; it grows the market. But it will never, > never, never be anything more than symbolic. So you kind of agree with Michaels, but he's an asshole anyway? Doug

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4670 [lbo-talk] benn der, dun dat -- rank: 1000

On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:25 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > ""The entire U.S. school system, from pre-K up, is structured from > the very start to enable the rich to outcompete the poor," writes > Michaels, "which is to say, the race is fixed. And the kinds of > solutions that might actually make a difference -- financing every > school district equally, abolishing private schools, making high > quality child care available to every family -- are treated as if &g ...

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4671 [lbo-talk] Adolph Reed responds to Alan Rudy -- rank: 1000

On Oct 5, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > I've always had great respect for Reed, whether agreeing or > disagreeing > with any particular position. But this focus on the alleged motives or > life-style or daily life of what amounts to a whole category of > hundreds > or thousands of people he does not know has, provisionally, put him in > my list of those I do not bother to read. I'll probably modify that. I'm sure Adolph will be relieved.

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4672 [lbo-talk] Art School Girls Are Easy -- rank: 1000

<http://aipdaily.com/eon-mckai-of-vivid-alt-says-art-school-girls-are-easy/ > Eon McKai of Vivid-Alt Says Art School Girls are Easy October 5, 2009 by Christina Los Angeles - The latest title from alt-porn movement founder Eon McKai is Art School Girls Are Easy, which will be released in stores nationwide on Tuesday, October 13th and is available at www.shopvivid.com . McKai made his directorial debut with a film titled Art School Sluts the film that paved the way for all alt-porn mov ...

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4673 [lbo-talk] Adolph Reed responds to Alan Rudy -- rank: 1000

[I forwarded some of the WBM thread to Adolph Reed, who writes...] I started a note this morning reacting to Alan Rudy's rant. It is extraordinary. It seems increasingly clear that the greatest enemies of developing a left politics in the US now are people who identify as leftists. This much willful misreading by people who aren't otherwise illiterate has to mean that ideology's at work. And I think what the reaction to Walter shows, as does all the persistent Obamamania, is that too many of t ...

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4674 [lbo-talk] Michaels, Against Diversity -- rank: 1000

On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > I've noticed he's been on panels with Adolph Reed and Lani Guinier. > Are they all on the same page? Dunno about Lani G, but Adolph and Walter are definitely on the same page. They've even sat in my living room together after appearing on a panel together.

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4675 [lbo-talk] Michaels, Against Diversity -- rank: 1000

On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:35 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > Julio writes: "In effect, anti-racism and anti-imperialism overlap > almost entirely." > > In what way, Julio? I'm thinking of the major anti-imperialist > movements which emerged in India, Algeria, Vietnam, Cuba, South > Africa, Palestine and elsewhere in Asia, Africa, and Latin America > and I'm having a hard time recalling any of them as having equated > "Western imperialism" with the "white rac ...

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4676 [lbo-talk] Michaels, Against Diversity -- rank: 1000

On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Miles Jackson wrote: > I will burn up one of my posts for today by encouraging everyone to > abide by the 3-posts-per-day rule. A little self-discipline to make > room for some other voices is a beautiful thing. Yes. I'm flexible in applying the rule, but self-discipline is lovely.

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4677 [lbo-talk] overconsuming health -- rank: 1000

Just posted to the LBO website - how the boom in U.S. consumption is mostly about medical inflation: http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Consumption.html

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4678 [lbo-talk] Michaels, Against Diversity -- rank: 1000

On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Alan Rudy wrote: > In re: audience... are those folks working with the poor and > imprisoned > going to hear Michaels much differently than me? does he ever > engage folks > working within ten miles of his office? Do you have to show your activist credentials to offer a critique? Doug

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4679 [lbo-talk] Michaels, Against Diversity -- rank: 1000

On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Alan Rudy wrote: > I don't know who these people are. This post to PEN-L, by one called "raghu," came in just moments after yours: > I agree with Louis: the best signature of modern day right-wing > extremists is racism, white (or some national) supremacism and > xenophobia manifested in different ways. The easiest way to identify a > right-wing group is to see if they are blaming minorities, immigrants > and foreigners for everything that ...

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4680 [lbo-talk] Michaels, Against Diversity -- rank: 1000

On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Alan Rudy wrote: > personal experience, the brush stroked more widely > seemed to imply > He seemed to want to > Michaels seems to believe I know not seems, as the man said. But: > But, again, I know folks tweaked about race at UCB and it is a > crushingly > small minority of them who - as Robert has noted - separate race, > class, > gender and sexual issues. Spend some time around Pacifica. It'd make your head swim.

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