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4561 [lbo-talk] RIP, "robust" public option; Barack tails Olympia -- rank: 1000

[from Mike Allen] BREAKING/EXCLUSIVE: Dem sources say Speaker Nancy Pelosi determined last night that there are NOT the votes for a 'robust public option,' meaning the Speaker will likely move to one of the two other, less sweeping public options being considered. 'Votes aren't there,' a top official said. 'The progressives are always more optimistic than reality.' But the Speaker knows how to count real votes to find out the truth, and she wants to release a bill that will get at least 21 ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Oct 23 07:58:07 PDT 2009

4562 [lbo-talk] ZZ meets a PM -- rank: 1000

On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Alan Rudy wrote: > I just listened to The Feelies' Crazy Rhythms during the hour en > route from > East Lansing to Mount Pleasant this morning, same 'proximate age as > TSB, and > still amazing (though I think I like The Good Earth just a bit > better). Saw > 'em at Maxwell's in '83 and '85, worlds and worlds of' fun (and not as > deafening as the Dream Syndicate show sandwiched in between 'em). Ah, love that stuff, back when Hoboken was youn ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 22 12:02:28 PDT 2009

4563 [lbo-talk] ZZ meets a PM -- rank: 1000

On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Alan Rudy wrote: > Does it mean that I'm old if I remember the release of Tube Snake > Boogie on > El Loco? Not as old as me, man.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 22 11:12:23 PDT 2009

4564 [lbo-talk] Imperialism, Goldman Sachs Style -- rank: 1000

On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Ira Glazer quoted: > Jerry Kohn, the head of the Hannah Arendt Center at the New School for > Social Research in New York And, one time at least, the Manhattan neighbor of Bernie Goetz.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 22 10:43:49 PDT 2009

4565 [lbo-talk] self-interest -- rank: 1000

On Oct 22, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Andy wrote: > Which would probably mirror the usual ratio of federal money spent to > taxes paid, no? At the risk of annoying James Heartfield, yes, probably so.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 22 08:32:22 PDT 2009

4566 [lbo-talk] ZZ meets a PM -- rank: 1000

<http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/macedonian-pm-hosts-high-level-tube-snake-boogie-summit > Macedonian PM Hosts High-Level Tube Snake Boogie Summit The correspondent who alerted us to this story on a meeting between members of ZZ Top and Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski called its accompanying photo "one of the strangest images I've seen in some time." We cannot but agree. Balk

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 22 08:31:58 PDT 2009

4567 [lbo-talk] self-interest -- rank: 1000

[from The Note] Ron Brownstein unearths a fascinating insight: Those who vote against health care reform are most likely to see their constituents benefit from it. "Yet many House members from both groups [Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats] represent districts with an elevated number of people who lack health insurance," Brownstein writes in the new National Journal. "That dynamic creates the likelihood of a deeply ironic result: If health care reform passes, many of the di ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 22 06:35:54 PDT 2009

4568 [lbo-talk] state by state single payer -- rank: 1000

On Oct 21, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > I have sneered a lot at Progressives, but I never really thought they > would sink to such self-parody as even to discuss such a proposal as > this. Sad. What in god's name are you talking about? Why would a state single- payer scheme be such a tragedy? It could actually happen, you know. Is that the problem with it? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 21 11:43:08 PDT 2009

4569 [lbo-talk] state by state single payer -- rank: 1000

Ha, Googled "Massachusetts doctors exodus" and turned up this: > THREAT OF DOCTOR SHORTAGE DISPUTED MEDICAL SOCIETY PROJECTIONS MAY > BE 'POLITICAL STATEMENT,' CONSUMER COALITION CHARGES > The Boston Globe | September 12, 1988 1988! Here's the Massachusetts Medical Association report, which seems to be the basis of the line: <http://www.massmed.org/AM/Template.cfm?TEMPLATE=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&CONTENTID=29403 > It's mainly about malpractice premiums - which lagged th ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 21 07:26:33 PDT 2009

4570 [lbo-talk] transparency -- rank: 1000

On Oct 21, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Alan Rudy wrote: > Well, folks I knew twenty years ago said that postmodernism - for > all its > embrace of irony - was the end of irony... There's nothing more "postmodern" than reality itself.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 21 06:45:22 PDT 2009

4571 [lbo-talk] transparency -- rank: 1000

[from The Note] "I have not been involved in such an open and transparent process as this. I'm very, very proud that we have done it." -- Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., before heading back behind closed doors to meet on health care.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 21 06:21:51 PDT 2009

4572 [lbo-talk] state by state single payer -- rank: 1000

On Oct 21, 2009, at 7:10 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > at work, a guy who likes to read Drudge, told me that the Mass > system has driven the doctors out of the state. Himmelstein says Mass General is making big money. The real problem is that people are forced to buy a basic package - $4,000 a year with a $4,000 deductible. You have to lay out $8,000 before the insurance kicks in! Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 21 06:06:57 PDT 2009

4573 [lbo-talk] the casino that is the WBAI election process -- rank: 1000

On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Bob Morris wrote: > I've been programming databases for 25 years, so presumably that > makes me a > "database expert" too, and I can confidently say their 'explanation' > is > horseshit. Yup. What kind of idiot do you have to be to require an outside expert to tell you that? The same kind of idiot, I guess, who mails time- sensitive ballots bulk rate. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 20 18:25:26 PDT 2009

4574 [lbo-talk] Thaddeus Russell: Why Liberals Kill -- rank: 1000

On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > "What too few Americans realize especially the president s anti-war > supporters, who accuse him of betraying liberal or 'progressive' > values is that if he accedes to General Stanley McChrystal's request > for more troops in Afghanistan and intensifies the drone attacks in > Pakistan, he will follow squarely in the footsteps of the great > liberal statesmen he has cited as his role models. Though opponents of > the w ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 20 18:06:14 PDT 2009

4575 [lbo-talk] Newt's objections -- rank: 1000

Pols, Polls and Pushback Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich had some pretty harsh criticism of our latest poll today, charging in a radio interview that it was deliberately rigged. He's entitled, of course, to his opinion. But not to a distortion of the facts. See the blog item at: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2009/10/pols-polls-and-pushback.html Also see the latest Consumer Comfort Index here: http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/abc-news-poll-consumer-confidence/story?id=8869590#

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 20 15:07:35 PDT 2009