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4396 [lbo-talk] Signs of the times -- rank: 1000

James Heartfield: > Yes, but all those saints - that's a bit hokey, mormonish, > even - not to mention those chintzy drapes, incense and > scoffing (and crapping out?) bit of Jesus every Sunday. > Papal infallibility? face it, it is a recipe for mockery. I > am afraid the protestants' attacks on the fetishism of the > catholic church are true, however much those delusions > enriched art and culture. Well that's a big exception. The barren walls and austerity of American Pro ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 20 07:38:52 PDT 2009

4397 [lbo-talk] Signs of the times -- rank: 1000

On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Chris Doss wrote: > Jesus rose from the grave -- you can't really prove that statement > false unless you have a time machine In that case, the burden of proof isn't on the skeptic.

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4398 [lbo-talk] I know, I know, I should never read David Brooks... -- rank: 1000

On Sep 19, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Alan Rudy wrote: > Um, don't rich, over-educated coastal white people run the > Republican Party, > too? Name some.

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Date:	Sat Sep 19 04:10:43 PDT 2009

4399 [lbo-talk] Nation mag auctioning crap to raise money -- rank: 1000

[via Gawker] http://www.cmarket.com/auction/item/Browse.action;jsessionid=l6KLHKVeZEx3YM-qQuNHhA**.app2-i?grouping=ALL&auctionId=87756952

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Date:	Fri Sep 18 18:18:55 PDT 2009

4400 [lbo-talk] Irving Kristol, he dead -- rank: 1000

<http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/09/irving_kristol_19202009_2.asp > Irving Kristol, 1920-2009 Irving Kristol, writer, editor, and social philosopher, has died in Washington at the age of 89. His wisdom, wit, good humor, and generosity of spirit made him a friend and mentor to several generations of thinkers and public servants. --The Editors --- <http://linguafranca.mirror.theinfo.org/print/0101/cover_cons.html> "American conservatism lacks for political imag ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 18 18:15:20 PDT 2009

4401 [lbo-talk] Saul Alinsky -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Would those who know just exactly what 'we' need to do something NOW > please get off their asses and go out and do it. Who might that be, grumps?

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4402 [lbo-talk] Saul Alinsky -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: > Obviously I have no answers and I have a fraction of the intellectual > ability and organizational experience of many other members of the > list You're young, so you don't have much experience, but you seem like no slouch in the intellectual ability department.

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Date:	Fri Sep 18 15:03:32 PDT 2009

4403 [lbo-talk] Saul Alinsky -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: > I think the Left needs an early-SPD style organization, but I seem > to be in > a minority here. Please say more. Doug

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4404 [lbo-talk] Saul Alinsky -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Bob Morris wrote: > Back of the Yards created a model of community organizing that has > been > widely adopted. Cesar Chavez was recruited by an East LA > organization that > Alinsky started. The Industrial Areas Foundation still trains > organizers. > > My real point though is that the Right seems to be doing most the > organizing > now (and having the most fun now) while the Left isn't doing much. > How do we > change that? Maybe ...

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4405 [lbo-talk] left aiding right -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2009, at 1:51 PM, c b wrote: > Doug Henwood : > > Ok, you can't think of any. Which isn't surprising, but still.... > > ^^^^^^^ > CB: Ok I can think of plenty. > > You all are on an anti-Obama binger with selective memory loss. > > ^^^^^ > > By the "Obama website," do you mean The White House? > > ^^^^^ > CB: I'm sure you can figure it out Old piece of advice, Charles. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

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4406 [lbo-talk] Saul Alinsky -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Bob Morris wrote: > I think the left needs to > re-read Rules for Radicals. I tried, man. It was excruciating. In any case, I followed a link from one of your posts to this interview: <http://www.progress.org/2003/alinsky3.htm> > PLAYBOY: The assumption behind the Administration's Silent Majority > thesis is that most of the middle class is inherently conservative. > How can even the most skillful organizational tactics unite them in > suppor ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 18 10:37:27 PDT 2009

4407 [lbo-talk] left aiding right -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2009, at 12:49 PM, c b wrote: > Dennis Claxton > > >> CB: You must have your eyes closed and fingers in your ears. Try >> google. > > > > If there are so many good things happening why is it like pulling > teeth to get you to tell me about just one? > > ^^^^^ > CB: They are well known and obvious, so your question is sarcastic. > > Go to the Obama website. They list all their accomplishments so far. Ok, you can't think of any. Which i ...

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4408 [lbo-talk] O'Reilly now to the left of Senate Dems -- rank: 1000

[video clip at link] <http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/17/oreilly-public-option/> O Reilly endorses the public option, which he previously called socialism. Last night on Fox News, Bill O Reilly actually told a Heritage Foundation scholar who was fear-mongering government-backed health care that he favors a public option: NINA OWCHARENKO: Well, it has massive new federal regulation. So you don t necessarily need a public option if the federal government is going to control and regula ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 18 09:23:42 PDT 2009

4409 [lbo-talk] more on the right's Alinskyism -- rank: 1000

<http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27285.html> Conservatives use liberal playbook By: Andie Coller and Daniel Libit September 18, 2009 05:02 AM EST Conservatives are coming for the Democrats on their blind side the left. The evidence is everywhere. At tea parties and town halls, conservative demonstrators oppose health care reform with signs bearing the abortion-rights slogan Keep your laws off my body or the line Obama lies, Grandma dies an echo of the Bush lied, they ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 18 08:47:58 PDT 2009

4410 [lbo-talk] something good to read -- rank: 1000

On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Not so fast! It's always been assumed that you're the messiah of the > left, don't try to pass on the responsibility to some other poor > sucker. ;-) Not me - I'm a prophet of gloom.

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