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4336 [lbo-talk] polonski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:27 AM, JC Helary wrote: > Currently, the affair serves exactly one and only one purpose: > divert the attention of the stunned masses from more urgent and > important issues. Do you think the arrest was timed to do that? Or does shit just happen and the system processes things to work that way. Because there's never any shortage of such material in American life - the details may vary from week to week, even if the structure remains the same. Still, Americans a ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 30 07:36:21 PDT 2009

4337 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Lenin's Tomb wrote: > You and your bourgeois 'manners'. I suppose you'll be objecting to > shoving > a chemical light up a POW's arse next. You should write a sequel: The Liberal Defense of Rape.

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:51:36 PDT 2009

4338 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > "Testimony" and "proven beyond reasonable doubt" are two rather > different things, no? And, as I've said a few times before, no one has really disputed the testimony, right? Aside from you and Shane Mage more than 30 years after the fact? Gotta love BHL on this: Mr P had "perhaps had committed a youthful error." He evidently shares Henry Hyde's definition of youth. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:49:43 PDT 2009

4339 [lbo-talk] Americans think health insurance is an individual responsibility -- rank: 1000

[Curiously, opinion has gotten more anti-gov since the debate heated up. This is what happens when you have heated ideologues on one side and tedious wonks on the other.] <http://www.gallup.com/poll/123332/Many-U.S.-See-Health-Insurance-Personal-Responsibility.aspx > September 30, 2009Many in U.S. See Health Insurance as Personal ResponsibilityMajorities place responsibility on government when no alternative is presented by Lydia Saad PRINCETON, NJ -- In a recent Gallup survey, 89% of ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:20:36 PDT 2009

4340 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 30, 2009, at 1:40 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > People are slavering over the "thirteen." Populist puritan > prurience on the left First time ever I've been called a puritan. I'm an enthusiastic friend of all manner of queers and perverts. I hate the classic 70s feminist Dworkinite position on porn. I think the age of consent should be about 14. I think a lot of the priest "rape" cases are a lot more complicated than they're usually presented - that, for example, ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:02:54 PDT 2009

4341 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > I am nonplussed. Many girls sexually mature by the age of 12. It is > not that uncommon in this country to have sex with 12-years olds, and > nobody, including law enforcement, makes any fuss about it. I > personally > know of cases of girls under 14 on parole giving birth and nothing > being > done about it. So basically what this case seems to be about is > prosecution for a violation of a sexual taboo against a white ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 05:55:31 PDT 2009

4342 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > Not rape. *Statutory* Rape. Two totally different things. Did you read her testimony? Of course not.

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 04:17:08 PDT 2009

4343 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: > No one disputes that OJ killed his wife, right? Well, yeah, but no one who counts.

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Date:	Tue Sep 29 19:24:00 PDT 2009

4344 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: > On 9/30/09, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > >>> There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and >>> the facts >> are hardly in dispute. >> >> I don't get the cultural elite's reaction. So it's not under >> dispute that >> the guy drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl, right? > > It's not under dispute that he had sex with her. That's what he > plea ...

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Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:54:32 PDT 2009

4345 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

wow, Nation ed Katrina vanden Heuvel is defending the great man: <http://twitter.com/KatrinaNation>

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Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:46:54 PDT 2009

4346 [lbo-talk] more noxious crap -- rank: 1000

And further to the noxious crap department, is this one of the worst pieces of political writing of all time, or am I just in a generous mood? <http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/478374/lose_the_love_hate_but_keep_the_hope >. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:42:48 PDT 2009

4347 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:32 PM, John S Costello wrote: > Yes, how terrible that the government has an axe to grind when a > 13-year-old child is raped. It should keep its nose out of people's > private > affairs! How uppity of it! This is one of the more noxious pieces of crap I've read in some time: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polanskis-arrest-shame-on_b_301134.html >. The cultural elite is going to turn me into Bill O'Reilly before this is all over. Doug

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Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:41:33 PDT 2009

4348 [lbo-talk] BHL rallies support for Polanski -- rank: 1000

[Jezebel has gotten pretty mediocre since they lost Moe et al, but this is pretty good.] <http://jezebel.com/5370356/letters-from-hollywood-roman-polanskis-rape-of-child-no-big-thing > Letters From Hollywood: Roman Polanski's Rape Of Child No Big Thing By Kate Harding, 3:00 PM on Tue Sep 29 2009, 23,775 views "Does being an 'artist' trump being a rapist?" asks Melissa Silverstein of Women & Hollywood. According to 138 people in the film industry who signed a petition deman ...

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Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:29:08 PDT 2009

4349 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:42 PM, shrill.polemic at gmail.com wrote: > I think much of the outrage is over the misconduct of the prosecutor > and judge during the trial. Terrible, of course. But if Polanski did anything like what he's accused of, he's a depraved SOB.

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Date:	Tue Sep 29 17:03:20 PDT 2009

4350 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 1000

On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Shane Mage wrote: > was *statutory* rape of a sexually mature girl She was 13, she claims she said no, and he supposedly drugged her. Aside from that, nothing much.

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Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:25:48 PDT 2009