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4261 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 7:58 PM, James Heartfield wrote: > The decisive factor - and I mean the decisive factor - in > contemporary political life is indeed the defeat of the left. Really, James, who doesn't know that?

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4262 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Chuck Grimes wrote: > To echo James Heartfield (which I > rarely do) and Doug, just what the fuck does `emancipatory' mean? The Platypuses ask lots of questions, but not that one. Doug

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4263 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > You fellows would be more convincing if you would would explain > exactly what > these differences are. Simply alleging "there is a difference" barely > improves on a guessing game. > > Doug, I'm not sure that exempting alleged nation-states from an > anti-imperialist line would even put us in opposition to most of the > world's > imperial nastiness. The Nazis also perpetuated quite a bit of it in > territ ...

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4264 [lbo-talk] balance of payments -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Max Sawicky wrote: > The problems with the exercise are fundamentally analytical, not > ideological. Anything Moynihan used would be equally vulnerable. He > used to use these numbers to pound on the southerners who whined about > spending and taxes. They deserve it. That doesn't make it untrue. Doug

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Date:	Fri Apr 9 14:29:54 PDT 2010

4265 [lbo-talk] balance of payments -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Max Sawicky wrote: > Oh, and this info is from the Tax Foundation, and they suck. > I haven't read their study -- go ahead and sue me -- if somebody > has and can flag a mistake in what I said, feel free to respond. It's pretty much the same thing as Moynihan used to say, and he sucked in different ways. Doug

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4266 [lbo-talk] women can drill too -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:40 PM, brad bauerly wrote: >> Ok, go recruit some Tea Partiers and let us know how it goes. > >> Doug > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Why the fuck would you suggest that I do that? Aren't you the one who's suggested there are rich pickings there? > What does that have to > do with your attempt to personalize the political and talk about how > stupid some person or another is? You think that's ...

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4267 [lbo-talk] balance of payments -- rank: 1000

James Heartfield was skeptical when I claimed that the most Republican, anti-government states in the U.S. got more in federal aid than they paid to Washington in taxes, and vice versa. Here's a map making my case: http://www.thefourthbranch.com/2010/04/government-spending/ Doug

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Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:46:38 PDT 2010

4268 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > I find those opposing the occupations (because of all the predictable > anti-imperialist boilerplate) while supporting Reconstruction to be > rather > silly. There may be some intelligent left distinction between the > three > scenarios, but I have yet to see it and cannot imagine what it might > be Well, as I keep saying, there's a difference between reintegrating a portion of one's country that lost a civil war and occupy ...

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Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:38:30 PDT 2010

4269 [lbo-talk] women can drill too -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > At 01:01 PM 4/9/2010, brad bauerly wrote: > > >> What is the point of all of this? To show that the people beating us >> are dumb? > > What is the point of your sniffing out elitism even when it's not > there? I don't even buy that "they" are beating "us." The TPers have the allegiance of about 20% of the U.S. pop, maybe. So would an antiwar, social democratic agenda. Our big problem now is t ...

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4270 [lbo-talk] Malcolm McLaren RIP -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > I just don't see it. My point wasn't that there were forebears,. > but that saying McClaren brought something new to the table is like > saying Colonel Parker brought something new. Well, there's nothing new under the sun, but as I remember 1977, it sure seemed like a breath of fresh air. Doug

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4271 [lbo-talk] drones -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: > A typical remark aimed to provoke and draw attention to himself. 10 > years > ago he'd say the same thing, but about Henry Kissinger meeting a > firing > squad. I don't see how its worthy of attention, examination or > what pedagogical purpose that your second question could have. I'm not the one who claimed that Hitch was on the left, or worth taking seriously. Doug

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Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:16:52 PDT 2010

4272 [lbo-talk] women can drill too -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:01 PM, brad bauerly wrote: > What is the point of all of this? To show that the people beating us > are dumb? What does that say about us? Bush is soooo stupid and now > it is Palin is soooo stupid, what abunch of dumb hicks. Does it make > you feel better to point out how dumb they are while they are winning? > This is to personalize it in a very narrow way. It makes no different > how dumb these individuals are because the movement is beating us- > ...

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4273 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1187, Issue 5 -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Richard Seymour wrote: >> It's not me who has "smeared" Ali, but rather the defense of Ali, >> to which everyone seems to have risen, ends up, inevitably, >> smearing me. That says something. > > Self-pitying, self-aggrandising bullshit. You've consistently > failed to > deal with the substance of what people have said to you, now you're > pretending to have been smeared. Disgusting. Really. Cutrone misquotes Ali, is called ...

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4274 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1187, Issue 5 -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > But the fact remains: did the U.S. and British carry out the mosque > and marketplace bombings, or did Iraqi Islamist sectarians, > including al-Qaeda in Iraq, which Ali denied existed? He did not deny this. He said it didn't exist under Saddam and only came in after his overthrow. I just listened to him say this myself, and so have other people. You've been called on this, and you persist in repeating it. Why?

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4275 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 1000

On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > "Evil" is one of those words I think always confuses more than it > clarifies, I don't literally mean "evil," which invokes Satan and all that stuff. How's very damaging, exploitative, murderous? > but leaving that aside, what's your take on the post-war occupations > of > Germany and (especially) Japan? The analyses through which some > Marxists > frown on them, while cheering on Reconstruction, have al ...

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