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40711 problematize this -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >My primary technique for disrupting these >ominous developments is to introduce facts >and logic into the stream of insurrectionist >hoo-ha. Now there you go Max with that old bourgie trick of claiming "facts and logic" as exclusive class property. It's too early in the morning to problematize "facts and logic" (other than with the quote key), but this insurrectionist will match you on either! Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Nov 30 07:30:31 PST 1998

40712 Abuse of power -- rank: 1000

Jim heartfield wrote: >The hostility to 'productivism' (which the greens rightly see in Marxism >and social democracy alike), is a coded hostility to the productive, ie >the working classes. The concerns of the environmentalists are anti- >humanist. They deplore population growth (nasty oiks moving into the >neighbourhood), working class mobility (too many cars!), working class >consumption (fast food is cutting down the rain forest), foreigners (too >many Chinese - with fri ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Nov 30 07:22:25 PST 1998

40713 Abuse of power -- rank: 1000

Enzo Michelangeli wrote: >Indeed, the very existence of attempts to build >common ground between "red" and "green" never ceases to amaze me. Why should it? The exploitation of workers and nature goes hand in hand, as Marx argued in a fine paragraph in Capital vol. 1. The ideal of Marxism is that the technical skills and social organization brought about by capitalism should lay the groundwork for a nonexploitative society in which abundance became a practical possibilit ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Nov 29 19:23:56 PST 1998

40714 ont/epis and hip hop -- rank: 1000

d-m-c at worldnet.att.net wrote: >I bought Gender Trouble years ago for a course and >have read that. So if Butler's a must then I'd rather >do Psychic Life or Bodies that Matter. Otherwise I'm >game for anything else--almost--that you n Alec would >like to read. Maria Gilmore, you game? Paula? Any >pomo bashers anxious to actually read some of it and >then *really* bash it. Take it from me, it's much >more fun that way. My experience is that these cyberreadings fiz ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 29 16:59:13 PST 1998

40715 Abuse of power -- rank: 1000

Mark Jones wrote: >I have to say and declare that attempts to forge a red/green synthesis >have everywhere failed: from CNS to the new German government, to Earth >First! to Louis Proyect and my own humble efforts. I am curious why, >since I still see no alternative to effect the salvation of humankind >and life on earth generally. Mark, have they failed any worse than left projects of this anti-left time? The red-green cross is still a pretty young hybrid, and even modern green t ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Nov 29 16:47:44 PST 1998

40716 Figuring 1998 dollars in terms of 1988/89 dollars -- rank: 1000

John B Kelly wrote: >I received $7.85/hour in 1988/89 [not sure which] to pay my Medicaid >funded helpers. Could someone tell me what that wage would be today, >adjusted for inflation and all? Is there some easy conversion formula I >could be pointed to? The CPI-U was 118.4 in 1988, 124.0 in 1989, and 164.0 in October 1998. Matching $7.85 in 1988 would require $10.38 in 1998; matching it in 1989 would be $9.85. You can get the whole CPI series at the BLS website. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Nov 29 15:30:05 PST 1998

40717 The LBO list's bourgeoisie -- rank: 1000

Apsken at aol.com wrote: >But that is a different subject from attempts by r-r-revolutionary Marxists to >stifle discussion of their own or their group's bourgeois tendencies, which in >modern U.S. society take certain characteristic forms with unfortunate >political consequences. As I understand it, that is the discussion which Henry >Liu attempted to open with his reference to class struggle, and which you >averted by reference to the short list of LBO's bourgeois advocates, ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Nov 29 14:39:17 PST 1998

40718 bounced Liu post -- rank: 1000

[This bounced from Henry Liu because lots of extraneous stuff was attached to it, like html code and quoted earlier exchanges.] Let me focus in this post on the United States, being cast nowadays as the model of the unplanned economy. In fact, like many other issues, the U.S. is not exactly what the rightwing represents it to be. Adam Smith published the Wealth of Nations in 1776, the year of American Independence. By the time the constitution was framed 11 years later, the founding fathers were ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 29 13:25:21 PST 1998

40719 The LBO list's bourgeoisie -- rank: 1000

Apsken at aol.com wrote: >bourgeois currents thrive within Marxism Well of course, since this is bourgeois society. The bourgeoisie control the means of ideolgical production, and anyone who wants to be a serious intellectual or political Marxist has to mix it up with bourgeois writing and thought. Isn't there even a strand in Marxism, one that includes Lenin even, that regards the universalization of bourgeois culture and education as part of socialism? What about Marx and the civilizing asp ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Nov 29 12:56:04 PST 1998

40720 Sokal et al. -- rank: 1000

[for some reason this bounced to a new alias, "fixup-owner-lbo-talk-digest at lists.panix.com" - anyway, here it is, fixed up, unless it's telling me the owner needs a fix...] Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:58:25 -0700 From: Charles Miller <bautiste at uswest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lbo-talk-digest <owner-lbo-talk-digest at lists.panix.com> Subject: Sokal et al. Carrol Cox wrote: And perhaps if more Marxists read more of the bulk of Marx's writings they would discover in prac ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 29 10:05:11 PST 1998

40721 Abuse of power -- rank: 1000

Enzo Michelangeli wrote: >Watch Louis Proyect's ties in the next few days: perhaps we've got a secret >ally for our thermidorian counter-revolution. His phrase "I pay $70 a month >for the privilege of hosting a Marxism mailing list" spells out a clear >awareness of property rights ;-) Hey, as Ronald Reagan once said, complaining about an opponent's persistence in a debate, "I paid for this microphone!" Doug

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Date:	Sun Nov 29 09:29:22 PST 1998

40722 Kagarlitsky on Primakov -- rank: 1000

[from Johnson's Russia List - one point of view - with Russia, who knows what to believe?] Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 From: austgreen at glas.apc.org (Renfrey Clarke) Subject: Kagarlitsky on Primakov government THREE SCENARIOS FOR YEVGENY PRIMAKOV By Boris Kagarlitsky MOSCOW - From its first days, the Russian government of Yevgeny Primakov has been the target of fierce criticism from the national press. The commentators have condemned the government for inaction, but it is not this th ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 29 09:26:27 PST 1998

40723 The International -- rank: 1000

[this bounced] From: "Daniel" <drdq at m5.sprynet.com> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Subject: The International Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:48:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Henry's remarks about the "ownership" of another "marxist" list, reminds me of the history(?) of the proletarian anthem. I have no documentary evidence, but I was once told by someone who ought to know that two brothers Degeyter (sp?) met in court to litigate a suit over the ownership ...

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Date:	Sat Nov 28 16:06:36 PST 1998

40724 Brazilian unemployment -- rank: 1000

Michael Pollak wrote: >Last week's Economist said of Cardoso's ferocious budget cuts and interest >rates hikes that "some economists see unemploment reaching 13% next year." >["Latin American and the Market, end of second paragraph] > >Um, could be possibly be true? I thought it would be have to be heaps >worse than that. That's not that far from the EU average. If it isn't >true, does anyone have an explanation of how The Economist could arrive at >such ...

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Date:	Sat Nov 28 14:24:00 PST 1998

40725 Review of Sokal & Bricmonts' _FASHIONABLE NONSENSE_ in NY Times Book Review -- rank: 1000

Andrew Kliman wrote: >Third, your comment > >"If you think Lacan is full of it, you should show that by taking >on the body of his work, not mocking some badly appropriated >scientific >metaphors. The exercise proves nothing." > >seems to demand a very restrictive mode of debate. Evidently you >think that one must criticize the overall positions of one's >opponents. E.g., one must show that Lacan is "full of it," and, >if one doesn't, one i ...

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Date:	Sat Nov 28 14:19:18 PST 1998