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40141 Nathan's gone -- rank: 1000

digloria at mindspring.com wrote: >unless majordomo's waaaaay of there are only 180 or so. As of 15 seconds ago, 186 to lbo-talk, 117 to lbo-talk digest, total 303. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 19 18:12:59 PDT 1999

40142 Nathan's gone -- rank: 1000

Nathan just signed off lbo-talk. Despite our furious disagreements, I'm sorry to see him go. I want this list to be a place where people can disagree with each other. I hope the 300-something remaining subscribers agree. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 19 17:45:08 PDT 1999

40143 more from Fisk -- rank: 1000

J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: >If census figures suggest 50,000 Serbs were expelled >from Kosmet, then why believe some Serb official who >claims that 250,000 were? Please. A lot of his other >numbers are off. And, frankly, I have no sympathy >whatsoever for this "heart of Serbia" argument, which >is just an excuse for all kinds of atrocities. Shall we excuse >Israeli atrocities against Palestinians because Jerusalem >is the "heart of the Jews"? No ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 19 13:45:35 PDT 1999

40144 [Fwd: Social democracy betrayed -- Le Monde diplomatique] -- rank: 1000

Seth Ackerman wrote: >There is undoubtedly a global order enforced by the Pentagon. How Sweden >benefits from that any more than China does is not clear to me. Sweden >is not even part of NATO. Swedish multinationals have long enjoyed bigtime foreign profits which helped pay for the welfare state. Those multinationals would have a much harder time of it if it weren't for the Pentagon making the world safe for foreign investment. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 19 11:53:10 PDT 1999

40145 Young Democratic Socialists position on Kosovo -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >The very fact that Russia and China (or the US for that matter) can veto >action of any kind is precisely why a "more democratic" UN is needed. I'm waiting for your definition of democracy in this context. >Whether some kind of Kosovo intervention could have found a majority is an >open question, but given the broad support for some kind of action from >Europe and much of the Islamic world, a more democratic UN likely could have >found a better s ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 19 10:51:21 PDT 1999

40146 more from Fisk -- rank: 1000

Independent (London) - April 19, 1999 Serbs stirred by memory of their Kosovo exodus By Robert Fisk in Belgrade THERE ARE no files in Nebojsa Vujovic's bookcases, no computers in the ante-rooms of the Yugoslav ministry of foreign affairs. If Nato bombs this most elegant of Belgrade buildings, there will be no equipment to smash, no archives to burn. Mr Vujovic was Yugoslavia's man in Washington, charge d'affaires to the Federal Republic on the eve of Nato's bombardment. He knows the risks. And h ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 19 10:46:02 PDT 1999

40147 Young Democratic Socialists position on Kosovo -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >This statement by the Youth Section of DSA is incredibly good and I would >say it reflects my views almost in total. Well as you might guess, Nathan, I think it's a load of crap. There were a few moments when I had some hope that the youth section of DSA was showing some signs of spunk & radicalism, but this convinces me that the organization's subordination to the Democratic Party is hopeless. This is a beaut: >We believe that a stronger UN should be prepared ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 19 09:47:27 PDT 1999

40148 a ditty -- rank: 1000

[Colonel Sawicky sent this from his non-subscribed address.] From: "Max B. Sawicky" <maxsaw at cpcug.org> Subject: Cyber Song Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:12:30 -0400 Courtesy of David McReynolds. Pretty impressive rhyme and meter. mbs | THE MODERN CYBER-CITIZEN'S SONG. By Marcus Bales. | | I am the very model of a modern cyber-netizen | All logic I dispense with, and all taste and manners jettison; | I'm found on TV, radio, and many other "medias" | But cyber ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 19 09:31:23 PDT 1999

40149 East Timor -- rank: 1000

Times (London) - April 19 1999 FAR EAST Death toll rises as militia seize Timor's capital FROM PATRICIA NUNAN IN JAKARTA AND DAVID WATTS ARMED pro-Indonesian militiamen were in control of the East Timorese capital of Dili last night after a weekend of terror in which a loyalist leader called for the "cleansing" of all those in favour of independence from Indonesia. The weekend of brutality left at least 30 people dead, although the army maintained the total was 12. Witnesses said that ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 19 09:10:25 PDT 1999

40150 Russian poverty -- rank: 1000

Financial Times - April 19, 1999 Study puts 30m Russians in harsh poverty By Andrew Jack in Moscow Up to a fifth of Russians may be living in extreme poverty by next year, the World Bank will warn next month. The full effects of last August's financial crisis on economic growth and household incomes will continue to worsen this year and will increase poverty to a peak in early 2000 affecting up to 30m people, according to a preliminary analysis carried out by the bank due to be published in May. ...

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Date:	Sun Apr 18 23:34:47 PDT 1999

40151 ecocide -- rank: 1000

The Times (London) April 19 1999 Poison cloud engulfs Belgrade Nato crippled the Serb oil industry yesterday. Tom Walker reports from Belgrade AN ecological disaster was unfolding yesterday after Nato bombed a combined petrochemicals, fertiliser and refinery complex on the banks of the Danube in the northern outskirts of Belgrade. A series of detonations that shook the whole city early yesterday sent a toxic cloud of smoke and gas hundreds of feet into the night sky. In the dawn the choking clou ...

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Date:	Sun Apr 18 23:32:57 PDT 1999

40152 wearing black -- rank: 1000

kelley colleen wrote: >wearing black. always black. What's wrong with that? Some of my best friends wear only black, or very close to it. And, as Pavement said, there are 40 different shades of black. Doug

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Date:	Sun Apr 18 17:16:44 PDT 1999

40153 New Issue of _Cultural Logic_ (Fall, 1998) -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >> [The first two names should be familiar to lbo-listers. The attack on Rick >> Wolff by Deb Kelsh is a fine example of Orange Marxist madness.] > >"Orange Marxist"? Is this some new tendency? Well not so new. Orange as in the school color of Syracuse University, home base of this tendency, which proliferates across an archipelago of upstate New York universities, including SUNY-Buffalo and SUNY-Albany. Intensely disputatious, the cult seems to be ...

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Date:	Sun Apr 18 16:27:56 PDT 1999

40154 CUNY arming! -- rank: 1000

[forwarded to me from CUNYTALK] From: "Ronald B. McGuire" <ronmcguire at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Subject: Lethal Force At CUNY To: CUNYTALK at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Yesterday I received 35 pages of receipts for ammunition, weapons and accessories purchased for CUNY Security from late 1995 to early 1998. The information was forwarded to me by the student editors of the "Hunter Envoy" who made a Freedom Of Information Law ("FOIL") request to obtain the material. The receipts ...

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Date:	Sun Apr 18 15:46:19 PDT 1999

40155 Query on 'irrational' US foreign policy -- rank: 1000

A web search reveals this, at <http://www.econ.rochester.edu/eco108/ch17/us_nuclear_weapons_ap.html>: Pentagon study: 'Irrational' nuclear policy a deterrent March 1, 1998 Web posted at: 8:35 p.m. EST (0135 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States should maintain the threat of nuclear retaliation with an "irrational and vindictive" streak to intimidate would-be attackers such as Iraq, according to an internal military study made public Sunday. The study, "Essentials of Post ...

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Date:	Sun Apr 18 14:42:57 PDT 1999