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39676 LM, doing the Virginia Postrel thing -- rank: 1000

[bounced for a taboo word - taboo ideas, too, but they're not strictly bounceable] Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 16:28:08 +0200 From: Russell Grinker <grinker at mweb.co.za> This article was originally published in The Times (London) on 6 December 1999 'The disparate demonstrations against capitalism represented more of a general moan about life than a movement to change the world' by Mick Hume, LM editor When Karl Marx suggested that capitalism would create its own gravediggers it seems unlikely ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Dec 6 07:20:40 PST 1999

39677 impending geezerhood -- rank: 1000

[bounced for an address oddity] From: dhorne at telus.net Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 07:06:32 -0800 At 09:59 AM 12/5/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Max Sawicky wrote: > >>All other contending animosities aside, I'd like >>to say that I think the article had one good point: >>both wings of the protest would have benefitted >>if the labor march joined the sit-downers. > >Of course. I fully agree. But focusing just on the AFL-CIO's many >shortcomings overlooks the rest o ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Dec 6 07:15:58 PST 1999

39678 Nader & Co. -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >I agree, but the anti-anarchist quotes coming out of Dolan's mouth were >pretty stupid. We'll respond to him in writing. Heaps of admiration >should go to all groups and individuals who contributed to the week of >resistance in Seattle. There were lots of people who deserve heaps of praise & gratitude. I singled out the Naderites because I've been hard on them in the past, and wanted to give credit where it's due. >I have alot of respect for the Nader people. Af ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Dec 5 21:35:36 PST 1999

39679 Fwd: STOP THE WORLD, I WANT TO GET OFF -- rank: 1000

[This is from ur-supply sider Jude Wanniski, of all people. I'm going to have him on the radio in the next few weeks. - Doug] More articles are available on our website http://www.polyconomics.com STOP THE WORLD, I WANT TO GET OFF We sympathize with the tens of thousands of angry Americans in Seattle today, protesting plans to energize and expand the World Trade Organization (WTO). We at Polyconomics did not support its creation to begin with, seeing no need for another supranational financial i ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Dec 5 19:32:58 PST 1999

39680 Seattle cops -- rank: 1000

I've been pretty out of touch, so I don't know if this has gotten wide coverage. If it has, my apologies. But yesterday's Seattle Post-Intelligencer had an interview with a cop who said that Mayor Paul Schell was convinced nothing terrible would happen, and wanted to carry off the WTO meeting with a minimal police presence. The city was grossly understocked with tear gas and pepper spray, and refused offers of outside help from other police forces and the governor. There's something to be said f ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Dec 5 19:32:58 PST 1999

39681 two views on Seattle -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >All other contending animosities aside, I'd like >to say that I think the article had one good point: >both wings of the protest would have benefitted >if the labor march joined the sit-downers. Of course. I fully agree. But focusing just on the AFL-CIO's many shortcomings overlooks the rest of the story here - massive numbers of young people protesting capitalism in the streets. Sure their critique may be inchoate and untheorized, but isn't this something those o ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Dec 5 09:59:40 PST 1999

39682 Observer on WTO -- rank: 1000

Observer (London) - December 5, 1999 REAL BATTLE FOR SEATTLE 'This is what democracy looks like,' chanted protesters as they confronted armies of police firing tear gas canisters and plastic bullets. John Vidal is on the front line at the World Trade Organisation talks on America's Pacific seaboard 'Shame, shame, shame on you,' chanted the protesters beyond the lines of Darth Vader-style police, the armoured cars, the horsemen, the National Guard and the dogs. The tear gas was heavy on the air, ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Dec 5 09:50:40 PST 1999

39683 two views on Seattle -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >I do agree that the AFL >should have done more than they did (apparently >nothing) to show support for those assaulted by >the cops. There was a march on Friday in support of free speech and those arrested organized on very short notice by the Seattle Central Labor Council. Admittedly not Sweeney's people, but lots better than nothing. It's not everyday you see Teamsters carrying signs like "Free The Seattle 500!" Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Dec 5 09:41:53 PST 1999

39684 Nader & Co. -- rank: 1000

Despite my various ideological criticisms of Ralph Nader, I've got to say that his people - notably his chief organizer on the scene, Mike Dolan, and the person who sent him there, Citizens Trade Watch director Lori Wallach - were absolutely crucial to making the Battle in Seattle possible. For that, they deserve vast heaps of admiration and gratitude. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Dec 5 09:36:15 PST 1999

39685 Seattle final -- rank: 1000

Martin Schiller wrote: >All this time I thought that you'd been in NYC and thinking favorably of >all of the Seattle friendly activities that were going on around you. Uh, I thought I'd made it clear where I was. >Your saturday post mentioned that there was consideration of failure in >advance of Seattle, but I missed who had expressed that point of view or >whether it was related to the draft document that wasn't presented. I'd read about it for weeks, mainly in the Financial Tim ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Dec 5 02:01:48 PST 1999

39686 Seattle final -- rank: 1000

I've just posted a wrap-up on Seattle to the LBO website. It's accessible from <http://www.panix.com/~dhenwood/Seattle.html>. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Dec 4 16:48:16 PST 1999

39687 two views on Seattle -- rank: 1000

Jeffrey St. Clair wrote: >Fuck you, Doug. You know damn well that I was in Seattle, on the streets >every day, at nearly every violent confrontation between the cops, national >guard and the police: at the McDonalds on Monday, at 6th and Union, 6th and >University, 4th and Pine on Tuesady, on Wed. at Pike Place Market, Capitol >Hill and, at 7 in the morning, right outside your Travelodge hotel, when the >cops were beating an 83 year-old grandmother. I was gassed and whacked ac ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Dec 4 16:24:59 PST 1999

39688 two views on Seattle -- rank: 1000

[Careful readers might note some uncanny parallels between these two texts, filed from a woodsy retreat hundreds of miles south of the action. "Not out of churlishness," of course.] <http://www.counterpunch.org/> December 3, 1999 Here's a might-have-been for you. All day long, Tuesday, November 30, the street warriors in downtown Seattle vindicated their pledge to shut down the first day of the WTO talks, in itself a rousing victory. Locked-down Earth-First!ers, Ruckus Society ag ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Dec 4 12:17:47 PST 1999

39689 WTO talks fail: Reuters story -- rank: 1000

Tom Lehman wrote: >These are not big demands--although they maybe too much for New York City >and it's cosmopolitans--like you and Katha's congressperson, fatboy >Nadler. What's that supposed to mean? By the way, it's is a contraction for it is; its is the possessive. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Dec 4 12:29:41 PST 1999

39690 an old chestnut -- rank: 1000

It's fun to read the conclusion of Marx's 1848 speech on free trade <http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848-ft/1848-ft.htm> at the end of this great week in Seattle: You believe, perhaps, gentlemen, that the production of coffee and sugar is the natural destiny of the West Indies. Two centuries ago, nature, which does not trouble herself about commerce, had planted neither sugar-cane nor coffee trees there. And it may be that in less than half a century you will find there neither ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Dec 4 12:25:58 PST 1999