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39616 dead topix -- rank: 1000

Michael Hoover wrote: >So that lbo-ers can engage in really useful discussions like 'Anarchism v >Marxism'... Actually that's a pretty tired one too. Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 20:03:57 PST 1999

39617 Anarchism vs. Marxism-Leninism -- rank: 1000

Sam Pawlett wrote: >What did the land of freedom the USA produce in cultural 'capital' >during the same period? Gaddis' JR and the Ramones are the first two things that come to mind. Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 11:18:17 PST 1999

39618 lbo-talk-digest V1 #2239 -- rank: 1000

John Halle wrote: >I'm not sure what you mean by "internal Pacifica nonsense." >Some of us might like to know more. Much of the major-league infighting is pretty well known by now, but, pettily, most Pacifica stations don't like picking up material from other Pacifica stations. Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 11:15:52 PST 1999

39619 dead topix - offlist -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >It's not all that far removed from those guys who dress up in Civil >War uniforms and spend their weekends shooting blanks at each other >-- harmless, I guess ... but deeply boring. Kinda like a Society for Uncreative Anachronism? Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 10:52:26 PST 1999

39620 [Fwd: Ceremonies of Innocence, or, a Secret Affinity with the -- rank: 1000

Brad De Long wrote: >Clinton? Clinton's way, way down the list. Among recent U.S. >presidents, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, and Bush have >all set in motion military actions that caused more deaths than >Clinton has... If you overlook the continuing embargo of Iraq. Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 10:51:46 PST 1999

39621 Anarchism vs. Marxism-Leninism -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Many an ex-dissident intellectual discovered this truth after the fall of >the regimes they sought to overthrow. Zizek's point in his review of the Havel biography is interesting - that the dissidents depended on the (failed) promise of the system they rebelled against. Once it collapsed, they were stranded - or turned into clowns, like Havel. Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 10:48:26 PST 1999

39622 Stalinism (was Re: Anti-Democratic America) -- rank: 1000

Mr P.A. Van Heusden wrote: >Maybe the fact that Anarchists and Stalinists (alongside all sorts of >other trends of thought) can share space on this list is testimony both to >Doug's role as moderator, and to the nature of the times... Let's focus on the times, and leave 1917 and 1936 and 1939 by the wayside. Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 10:41:56 PST 1999

39623 dead topix - offlist -- rank: 1000

Brett Knowlton wrote: >I will, of course, respect the wishes of the moderator. But I disagree >with you on this. > >When I see someone try to rationalize aggression as some kind of defensive >action, it really pisses me off. How is defending soviet violence any >different from defending US aggression? > >I've seen Brad get bopped on the head, and rightfully so, when he hems and >haws over US support of fascist and/or brutal authoritarian leaders after >WWII and du ...

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 10:31:12 PST 1999

39624 Forbes on Inequality -- rank: 1000

Brett Knowlton wrote: >The thrust of the Forbes article was it is only the infusion of poor >immigrants into the country which causes the statistics you see about how >the income of the poorest 1/5 has eroded by x% (whatever it is). But income polarization in the U.S. isn't just a story of the bottom 20% - it's mostly a story of the top 5% thriving while everyone else is lucky to be stagnant. Here's the share of household income by quintile, with the top quintile broken down into the ri ...

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 08:14:48 PST 1999

39625 Fw: NYC MAYDAY 2K -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >I don't mean for a second there should be no demo's >in NYC. But for one similar to Seattle that can be used >to justify police violence, we'd do well to have some >serious forces on our side. The NYPD doesn't need an excuse to get violent. Also, New York has about 38,000 cops; Seattle, 1,200. To get a similar demonstrator/cop ratio in NYC would require 1,266,667 protesting bodies (extrapolating from the 40,000 Seattle estimate). Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 08:38:27 PST 1999

39626 Fwd: Seattle on Pacifica -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >. . . >My local affiliate (WBAI) did not acquit itself well in its Seattle >coverage. The nadir was reached on Tuesday afternoon: As demonstrators >were being gassed and beaten, the drive-time call in show featured a two >hour interview with an executive of an internet firm holding forth on the >new vistas for minorities in the hi-tech economy. . . . > >I tuned into our own Pacifica affiliate Tuesday, WPFW, >as well during afternoon drive time. Th ...

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 08:31:12 PST 1999

39627 dead topix -- rank: 1000

Certain topics deserve a final burial. Among those are the Nazi-Soviet pact, the class nature of the USSR (deformed or degenerated worker state? dunno Regis, what do you think?), and the Rosenbergs. These are not yet auto-taboo words, but they're getting mighty close. It's 1999, fer chrissakes, and for not much longer. Let's move on and leave these wrenching debates to the sectarians. Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 08:19:25 PST 1999

39628 Anarchism vs. Marxism-Leninism -- rank: 1000

t byfield wrote: >human creativity flowered in the USSR? > >'flowered'? Bloomed, positively bloomed! I'm getting misty-eyed with nostalgia for the Brezhnev years in fact. How can you be so hard-hearted, Ted? Doug

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 07:13:01 PST 1999

39629 more Seattle fallout -- rank: 1000

[Ok, so they're a force to be reckoned with; what are they going to do with that force, now that they've discovered it?] Wall Street Journal - December 10, 1999 POLITICAL FALLOUT spreads from the failed trade talks in Seattle. The Teamsters union likely will withhold any presidential endorsement until after Congress's vote next year on normal trading status for China, which the union opposes. A January ruling on access to the U.S. for Mexican trucks is another priority. One goal is to put maximu ...

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 07:15:39 PST 1999

39630 "losers" in Seattle -- rank: 1000

[From the World Bank's daily clipping service. It's heartwarming when the rich profess their concern for the poor.] NGOs AND THE REAL LOSERS AT SEATTLE. The battle at the WTO ministerial meeting in Seattle was only the latest and most visible in a string of recent NGO victories, says the Economist (p.18), including the Earth Summit in Rio in 1992 and the "Fifty Years Is Enough" campaign at the World Bank's anniversary meeting in 1994. Citizens' groups are also increasingly powerful at ...

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Date:	Fri Dec 10 06:49:06 PST 1999