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39121 Stuck outside of Mobile, with the Memphis blues again. -- rank: 1000

pms wrote: >I'm not even going to start with Louis about what is wrong with that >paragraph of Gitlan's. I'm just a naive fool I guess. I'll forget all >those black cooks, and drivers, and busboys I work with who really need >child care and health insurance, and are really too busy trying to survive, >overcome depression and dodge the bosses tantrums, along with the white >employees, to hate whites.(Whites still seem to have more time for such >animosities.) The problem w ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Jan 10 11:12:48 PST 1999

39122 advice -- rank: 1000

pms wrote: >I also thought of putting an ad in a yuppie neigborhood paper for something >like- Everyday Research - for folks who don't have the time to research the >things that would help them make every day decisions. > >What do you think? Would people pay for this? Do they do this up in Noo >York City? > >Hope you don't mind this silly question, but like I say, I'm torn. People pay other people to shop for them in NYC, and to wait in line (or "on line," as ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Jan 10 10:16:19 PST 1999

39123 comic relief -- rank: 1000

>From another list... Visit <http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/cgi-bin/postmodern>, then refresh/reload, refresh/reload... Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Jan 9 18:41:43 PST 1999

39124 Oakland highlights -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >I think Lou should stop replying to those posts, and turn his attention to >thinking out ways in which white leftists (under present conditions, when "the >left," white or non-white, does not exist) and those many black leftists who >operate both within and without the black "community" can work to build a left >which can exist with the reality of black nationalism. Does the ruthless criticism of all that exists exempt black nationalism? If s ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Jan 9 18:28:08 PST 1999

39125 Oakland highlights -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >If this debate between Lou and Rakesh were proceeding on Lou's marxism >list, at >about this point Lou would say Enough! Well it ain't his list. >I would like to attempt a shift in the >focus of the debate, which probably won't work. > >The core defect in Rakesh's posts is their utter irrelevance to anything. He >writes as though the existence of black nationalism was a topic of debate when >it is a simple fact, and nothing he or I or Lou or Doug or ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Jan 9 18:27:02 PST 1999

39126 Alterman on Nation cruise -- rank: 1000

Peter Kilander wrote: >Eric Alterman wrote this little piece on The Nation cruise for the Jan. 11th >issue of The New Yorker. > >Floating limousine liberals play shuffleboard. > >When Victor Navasky and a group of partners first took over *The Nation* and >its accompanying debts twenty years ago, the bearded scholar of McCarthyism >says, two prospects would have been "utterly unthinkable": "The first was >that the Soviet Union would become 'the former So ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Jan 9 01:36:21 PST 1999

39127 Oakland highlights -- rank: 1000

Jim heartfield wrote: >In message <199901090053.TAA26693 at bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>, Louis >Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> writes > >>Maybe it is because you are totally clueless about black people. > >Just what is Louis' problem with Rakesh? I guess I would be foolish to >get involved having felt the rough side of Louis' tongue myself on a few >occasions ... so to speak. > >But Louis' desire to defend the reputation of Malcolm X at all costs, >and t ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Jan 9 01:36:21 PST 1999

39128 Oakland highlights/steel dumping -- rank: 1000

Tom Lehman wrote: >Clinton is an actor. Clinton has actor problems. Clinton's problems read like >a Hollywood tabloid. Who writes Clinton's lines? Who directs Clintons >actions? Clinton mostly, no? With help from Hillary and his pollsters. He's like Reagan with a brain. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Jan 8 07:17:02 PST 1999

39129 La Butler -- rank: 1000

Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote: >Can someone tell me what chapters are still available? I'm supposed to be >doing ch 1, but I've been grievously ill for the last week and a half >(sick enough to have cancelled a meeting with our Dear Leader), and am >now so backed up, workwise, that I need to push back my Important Butler >Duties. I've got the Intro; Bill Lear has chap. 2; Charles Brown, chap. 4; Alec, chap. 6. If I'm missing someone, please correct me. Chaps. 3 & 5 are unclaimed. ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Jan 8 07:07:41 PST 1999

39130 efficiency in government as a left issues: -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: > >Which leaves what alternative, "all power grows out of the barrel of a >gun"? What other route to social transformation is there other than (1) >arguing or (2) shooting? I think the left has the better arguments, and >the right will always have more bullets. We need good arguments, but we also need good fantasies too. Socialism, a fantasy of an earthly utopia, used to be one, but since it's fallen from grace, we sound like nothing but a bunch of c ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Jan 8 07:07:41 PST 1999

39131 Malcolm X and building a Black Tammany Hall -- rank: 1000

Louis Proyect wrote: >One of the reasons Doug finds it so hard to understand this question of the >"black community" is that he not approaching the question dialectically. Oh, right, I always forget that! >There were dogmatic Marxists in the SWP who hated this notion of a "black >community". We had a big debate in the party in 1971 against the "For a >Proletarian Orientation Tendency", whose arguments were of a Spartacist >nature that both Doug and ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Jan 8 03:36:56 PST 1999

39132 Oakland highlights -- rank: 1000

Chuck Grimes wrote: >See, I would have gone for that class analysis, but there is something >else going on between Clinton and especially the southern and western >House and Senate. I mean what makes white trash, trash and not just >poor? What makes the idea of funky sex so odious to these genteel >christians? Why do these same House/Senate members seem so mysteriously >united on every single piece of thought or deed, that has the >slightest hint of race--abortion, teen pre ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Jan 8 03:36:56 PST 1999

39133 Oakland highlights -- rank: 1000

William S. Lear wrote: >One thing that I would suggest is to look at the funding of these >people --- which business sectors are supporting them? A good place >to start is the probability that on most economic and social issues >these businesses (Republicans, whitewing Xtians) cannot compete with >other businesses (Democrats) who are willing to move a micrometer more >to the left. So, the answer is simple: fund hatred. Fund "morality". >Fund "family values& ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Jan 8 03:12:34 PST 1999

39134 efficiency in government as a left issues: -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >As I said, I realize I can sound like a sap taking a >position like that, but I've always thought the left's most powerful >weapon is simply sweet reason. No I'm afraid it isn't. Reason has all too little to do with politics. People believe the most amazing crap and no amount of rational argument can dislodge it. There are all kinds of psychological reasons for this which I hope will come out in our Butler seminar. A few weeks ago I posted a longish excerpt from Zize ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Jan 8 01:53:12 PST 1999

39135 Oakland highlights -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >One might also say that Clinton's behavior is >understood as 'black' whereas it is really >working class, and this is reconstructed as >'black' to avoid the generalizing implications . . . Yeah, you've got a point here. People do like to make fun of Clinton's "white trash" roots. The scene in Primary Colors when Travolta is getting outside all those Krispy Kremes says it all. >This is not to say that Clinton's life style >is exclusive to or especia ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Jan 8 01:45:44 PST 1999