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391 [lbo-talk] On "whiteness" -- rank: 1000

On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > Any early thoughts on this? Is it indicative of journalists writing their > stories to fit within predetermined narratives? Are they just relying on > the determinations of police, who would, as I recall the federal > categories, classify any non-African-descended Hispanic person as "white"? No idea how cops do it, but in government statistical data, racial/ethnic classifications are based on self-identification. Hispanic/ ...

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392 [lbo-talk] Why is Obama never identified as a mulatto? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Max Sawicky wrote: > In the U.S., I'd say the archaism of the term underlines > the old racist distinctions, as Carroll notes. Today one > form of racist contempt for Obama is expressed in the > charge that is a "half-breed," an effort to delegitimize him > as a person, as in, he is neither one thing nor another, > he is nothing. He's not even human - he's a fabric: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Kl5ASl6Lo

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393 [lbo-talk] Noam goes with Barry ? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: >> [WS:] This begs the question whether party "identities" are written in >> stone or are subject to political pressures from below. My hunch is >> that is a mixed bag, or to be more precise, about 1/4 of the former >> and 3/4 of the latter. That is to say, while parties have some parts >> of their identities that are relatively fixed over time, they are also >> in the business of winning elections, ...

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394 [lbo-talk] Why is Obama never identified as a mulatto? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:41 PM, ken hanly wrote: > Better I should have asked: Why is Obama identified as an African American rather than of mixed ancestry or something of the sort. One-drop rule. It still dominates the national consciousness, and not just among whites. Obama called himself "black" on his 2010 Census form, and academic/columnist/budding TV star Melissa Harris-Perry identifies as black despite having a white parent. Doug

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395 [lbo-talk] Irrelevance of "big" numbers -- rank: 1000

On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: > Carrol writes: > >> Agreed, it wouldn't change the outcome of elections -- but that >> is of utterly no political interest. > > It's certainly of political interest in that answering it correctly can mean that it's something to stop wasting time on. Carrol doesn't care about elections. Who controls the state has nothing to do with politics, apparently. Doug

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396 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Noam goes with Barry ? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 13, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Eric Beck wrote: > My point would be similar but with a different emphasis. To me, the > relevance of voter nonparticipation is not trying find the ideology > that lurks behind it but reckoning with the refusal/nonparticipation > as a political act itself. Why dig beneath the surface when the > surface is the most relevant fact. I suppose we could follow Oscar Wilde on this ("People say sometimes that Beauty is only superficial. That may be so. Bu ...

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Date:	Tue Mar 13 12:07:33 PDT 2012

397 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Fwd: Noam goes with Barry ? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 13, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Barry Brooks wrote: > This site has maps of the 2008 election results by county. > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/ > > The division by counties... Which is mostly a function of population density.

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398 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Noam goes with Barry ? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Marv Gandall wrote: > Doug has referred to Pew studies showing there is no correlation between political abstention and political belief. My own sense is that there is some correlation, but the obverse of that offered by Shane et al - that the least inclined to vote are typically the most oppressed, atomized, and least politically conscious sectors of the population Little correlation, not none. But the main conclusion is similar to yours - it's a very detached se ...

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399 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Noam goes with Barry ? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 13, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Michael Pollak wrote: > 1) Non-voters have considerably lower median income than voters; and > > 2) Voters with in the lower half of the income distribution vote more Democratic. > > Which of them is it? They lean more Dem, but not profoundly so. And, paradoxically, they profess to be more satisfied with the way things are going.

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400 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Noam goes with Barry ? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 13, 2012, at 6:51 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > Haven't read this debate, but wasn't it the case that there was a study where, if those who normally don't vote did vote, it turned out that the non-voters didn't change the outcome? Uh, yeah, that point was made earlier, in the part you didn't read.

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401 [lbo-talk] My Left Forum Panel -- rank: 1000

On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:39 PM, // ravi wrote: > Er umm, peeps, no response to my dinner call? I will even drive into the hell hole of Manhattan just to meet a few of you! :-) I think I missed that. What was your proposal?

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402 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Noam goes with Barry ? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 12, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Wojtek S wrote: > Nonvoting is often interpreted by some lefties as evidence of > dissatisfaction with the US political system. I think it is wishful > thinking. Note that the nonvoters in the Pew survey are *more* satisfied with life in these United States than voters are.

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403 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Noam goes with Barry ? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 12, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > Exactly. E.g., in the Reagan 'landslide,' three out of four eligible voters didn't vote for him. --CGE Nonvoters are not all that different from voters, according to a 2010 survey from Pew. More liberal, but also more satisfied with things in the U.S., and with a higher approval rating for Obama. Also more likely to support Obamacare than voters. They're just detached. http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1786/who-are-nonvoters-less-republican- ...

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Date:	Mon Mar 12 09:40:47 PDT 2012

404 [lbo-talk] 400, 000 trade unionists to canvass door to door for Obama? -- rank: 1000

On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Marv Gandall wrote: > As the A.F.L.-C.I.O. prepares to endorse President Obama on Tuesday, labor leaders say they will mount their biggest campaign effort, with far more union members than ever before at least 400,000, they say knocking on voters doors to counter the well-endowed super PACs backing Republicans. When's the last time Obama even spoke the word "union," aside from "State of the Union"? Doug

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405 [lbo-talk] postings -- rank: 1000

Posting frequencies have gotten out of hand. Today: Wojtek 8 Charles Brown 7 Marv Gandall 6 The limit is 3. Doug

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