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37891 US democracy -- rank: 1000

[this bounced for an address oddity] Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:07:34 -0400 From: Enrique Diaz-Alvarez <enrique at ee.cornell.edu> Reply-To: enrique at ee.cornell.edu Organization: Cornell University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com Subject: Re: wicked projects Doug Henwood wrote: > > We have listmembers from many countries of the world. I'd be interested if > they feel democratically deprived next to the U.S. > The short an ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun May 23 17:28:31 PDT 1999

37892 wicked projects -- rank: 1000

kelley wrote: >this is why you might want to take the civil society argument a bit more >seriously than you do, doug. and no, not the crap that tikkun dishes out >and whoever else you were on about last summer. there *is* something to >be said for CS because, in its absence and in the absence of a public >sphere, people turn to the state as a remedy for every ailment. I take the civil society argument very seriously, which is why I'm against it. Or, more precisely, the kind of ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun May 23 09:50:09 PDT 1999

37893 reverence for the constitution -- rank: 1000

Paul Henry Rosenberg wrote: >The same would very likely happen if we federalized the Seante and >elected them all nationwide. Can't do it, though. According to the divinely inspired Constitution, the Senate can only be altered or abolished with the unanimous consent of the states. As Article V says, "no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate." Funny, I thought suffrage applied to people, not states. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun May 23 09:35:50 PDT 1999

37894 reverence for the constitution -- rank: 1000

Margaret wrote: >Why lay our deficiency in those regards at the door of >the Constitution? At the time it was written, how >many countries were doing it better? It was written over 200 years ago. Isn't that a rather odd standard to use in 1999? >The Document doesn't forbid our having a better >political system. It would support all the things >you name, if only we demanded them. You are really underestimating the institutional obstacles to popular democracy in the U.S., s ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun May 23 08:14:59 PDT 1999

37895 Mormons & the US Constitution -- rank: 1000

kayak3 wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: >> >> [This bounced for a nonsub'd address. Kirsten, didn't know you grew up a >> Mormon. Can you tell us about the secret underwear?] >> >> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:12:18 -0700 >> >> i spoke too soon. sorry. i was speaking from personal experience (i was >> raised in the church). > >This is incredible. I was babtized a Mormon and grew up in Salt Lake. >How did you end up being an socialist type econo ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun May 23 08:01:19 PDT 1999

37896 Mormons & the US Constitution -- rank: 1000

kayak3 wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: >> >> [This bounced for a nonsub'd address. Kirsten, didn't know you grew up a >> Mormon. Can you tell us about the secret underwear?] >> >> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:12:18 -0700 >> >> i spoke too soon. sorry. i was speaking from personal experience (i was >> raised in the church). > >This is incredible. I was babtized a Mormon and grew up in Salt Lake. >How did you end up being an socialist type econo ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun May 23 08:01:01 PDT 1999

37897 wicked projects -- rank: 1000

kelley wrote: >i ask again: the cops busted into & searched my home the other night for >no good reason, what else do i have to appeal to? thank god for a fucking >Fourth i say, because i did go to neighborhood watch and i did make a >complaint. Didn't stop the cops from breaking in, did it? Doesn't stop the cops from harassing and killing mainly black & Latino kids every day in NYC and elsewhere? If our constitution protects our precious liberties, why do we criminalize mo ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat May 22 18:28:21 PDT 1999

37898 Fwd: Tito -- rank: 1000

[this was addressed to me rather than the list] From: "John Graf" <jgraf at jvlnet.com> To: <dhenwood at panix.com> Subject: Tito Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:15:55 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello Doug and all on the LBO-talk list, I'm a relatively new reader of your exchanges, and am interested in finding out what any interested list members can report about Yugoslavia under Tito. It seems that Tito's early challenge to the Soviet Union's ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat May 22 18:19:36 PDT 1999

37899 reverence for the constitution -- rank: 1000

kelley wrote: >so there's some inherent problem with two senators (6 yrs) balanced by reps >according to population in the house of congress? how's that? if i'm not >mistaken i think the brits first ripped off the idea of bicameral >legislature from the Iroquois Confederacy. How thoughtful to accommodate the aristocracy. Is this a defense of the House of Lords? Will you tell me what function "states" serve in allocating representation for central government function? Why ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat May 22 17:24:03 PDT 1999

37900 reverence for the constitution -- rank: 1000

Jordan Hayes wrote: >Can you name one that's got a better system of checks-n-balances? Check against what? The power of the majority, mainly. >That sounds like the best option from what I've seen. > >When it works, of course. So the most economically polarized country in the so-called First World, with the largest share of poor, and with the lowest voter participation - this "works"? Works for the ruling class, very nicely, yes. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat May 22 17:22:04 PDT 1999

37901 reverence for the constitution -- rank: 1000

Jordan Hayes wrote: > From dhenwood at panix.com Sat May 22 14:32:12 1999 > > How is it defensible on democratic grounds that Wyoming should > have the same number of senators as California? > >Because it's balanced by California's representation in the House. Eh? What kind of democracy is one "balanced" like that? One proportional body, the other a functionally conservative body based on geographic caprices? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat May 22 15:31:01 PDT 1999

37902 reverence for the constitution -- rank: 1000

kelley wrote: >funny, by 1848 that they held a Convention in Seneca Falls and wrote a >declaration of sentiments, modeled after the D of I. Their goal: to alter >the Constitution. Furthermore, a similar Convention was held by Freed >Slaves some time later, details escape me at the mo' Finally, both of >these were undone by what? constitutional amendments. oh but i guess >they were all falsely conscious, eh? They deliberately made it difficult to amend, becuase it was a d ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat May 22 14:20:08 PDT 1999

37903 Mormons & the US constitution -- rank: 1000

[another address problem - still no answer to the sacred undies question though] Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:27:21 -0700 From: kirsten neilsen <kirsten at infothecary.org> > > Doug Henwood wrote: > > > > > I think the Mormons > > > treat the U.S. Constitution as literally scriptural. Michael Pollak asked: > Is that really true? so i think the answer is a qualified no. they consider it divinely inspired but not literally scriptural. http://www.mormons.org/basi ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat May 22 10:16:41 PDT 1999

37904 Nato out of targets, moving rubble -- rank: 1000

Guardian (London) - May 22, 1999 Envoys take cover under table Nato missile shockwaves smash embassy windows By Richard Norton-Taylor and David Hearst Sweden's ambassador to Yugoslavia yesterday described how guests at a dinner party at his Swiss counterpart's residence had dived under the table as an American cruise missile flew past on its way to a nearby fuel depot. The latest in a series of embarrassing bombing blunders came to light as official sources privately admitted that Nato's missil ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat May 22 10:47:16 PDT 1999

37905 life in Pristina -- rank: 1000

Times (London) - May 22 1999 Eve-Ann Prentice gets through to Kosovo's stricken capital to find ethnic Albanians cowering in the ruins My nights under fire in Pristina BY night, the only place Dragana Milic says she feels safe is a damp, rat-infested cellar with only a couple of candles for heat and light. By day, an elderly ethnic Albanian wanders dazed among the rubble of what used to be his home. Dragana is a bright, 25-year-old Serb, with model-girl looks, who took to sleeping in the cellar ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat May 22 10:44:17 PDT 1999