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37336 empty gravesite [Fwd: MR. KENIGS HAS 2ND THOUGHTS] -- rank: 1000

[bounced because it had an attachment - who is this Jared Israel guy anyway? I keep seeing his name around] Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:15:58 -0500 From: Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> David Horne maintains we have enough hard evidence of Serbian atrocities. That is in fact debatable. The post being forwarded here URLs for very valuable web sites. Carrol From: Borba100 at aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:48:07 EDT MR. KENIGS HAS 2ND THOUGHTS by Jared Israel (10-12-99) "It is quite und ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 13:23:17 PDT 1999

37337 Fwd: Re: empty gravesite -- rank: 1000

[Rob asked me to forward this] Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:13:33 +1000 From: Rob Schaap <rws at comserver.canberra.edu.au> G'day Observers Doug writes: >Lots of stories of Serb atrocities were circulated to justify NATO's >bombing, before, during, and after the fact. It turns out that lots >of them just weren't true. Like I said in introducing the forward, >I'm not denying that Serbs did many horrible things. But in that >they're not alone. The plucky Kosovar Albanians have do ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 13:20:21 PDT 1999

37338 empty gravesite -- rank: 1000

David Horne wrote: >To which I respond with a resounding "so what?" Lots of stories of Serb atrocities were circulated to justify NATO's bombing, before, during, and after the fact. It turns out that lots of them just weren't true. Like I said in introducing the forward, I'm not denying that Serbs did many horrible things. But in that they're not alone. The plucky Kosovar Albanians have done horrible things too. Ditto our allies the Croats. There's a widespread impulse, from the Ova ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 12:19:13 PDT 1999

37339 Rhetorical Gestures (was Re: Spivak sez...) -- rank: 1000

Charles Brown wrote: >But was Spivak using "Kant" in that way ? I got the impression from >your post that Spivak was referring to Kant himself. So, how does >she read Kant from below ? I've read almost no Kant, and even less of Spivak on Kant, so I'm not the guy to answer this. Doug

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 12:14:03 PDT 1999

37340 Rhetorical Gestures (was Re: Spivak sez...) -- rank: 1000

Charles Brown wrote: >Charles: Anybody know examples of how Marx did this and where ? I >cannot remember ever reading Marx using Kant's name. I was using "Kant" as a representative of the Western philosophical tradition, because he was the guy Spivak had been talking about. Obviously in Marx's case, Hegel and Ricardo are the relevant names. Doug

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 11:24:48 PDT 1999

37341 Spivak sez... -- rank: 1000

Jim heartfield wrote: >Apart from that, I am of course deeply prejudiced >against her because she denounced me as a 'racist' on the grounds that I >quoted Francis Bacon, and therefore supported the colonisation of nature >by reason (as I've related before). This sounds very odd, especially since she spoke at some length about her admiration of Kant despite his malignant racism, and about the critical use of the Enlightenment. Of course there's no guarantee that people are consistent ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 10:00:57 PDT 1999

37342 Rhetorical Gestures (was Re: Spivak sez...) -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >In other words, why has a claim to superior knowledge come to be >based on saying that one's product is 'more nuanced with a productive >acknowledgment of complicity'? The other night Spivak made a couple of related points: 1) that she can't deny the great material advantages of being employed at a major metropolitan university; 2) that it's supremely "bad faith" to dismiss the Enlightenment as a fraud when one lives in a place where one does enjoy cer ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 09:48:59 PDT 1999

37343 conference: Who Counts? -- rank: 1000

WHO COUNTS? What Counts and How? The Ninth Annual Cultural Studies Symposium March 9-11, 2000 Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS CALL FOR PAPERS NEW DEADLINE: 15 November 1999 "What is good appears, and what appears is good." - Guy Debord, The Society of Spectacle PLENARY SPEAKERS: Peter Linebaugh, author, The London Hanged: Crime and Civil Society in 18th Century England; co-author, The Many-Headed Hydra: The Origins of the Terraqueous Working Class (forthcoming). Jamie Owen Dani ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 09:35:33 PDT 1999

37344 Spivak sez... -- rank: 1000

Dennis R Redmond wrote: >Yeah, she's just like Marx, going on and on about that class >struggle/revolution thing. At her talk the other night, Gayatri Spivak said that one reason that Eagleton (whom she said she considers a friend, adding, "with friends like that...") and all the other male reviewers have been so hard on her is that she refuses just to write about India and women, but trespasses into the big boys territory - class, labor, value, the international division of labo ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 09:32:27 PDT 1999

37345 Chechnya -- rank: 1000

[two items about Chechnya from Johnson's Russia List] Russia's Chechen War More About Politics Than Oil This Time Moscow, Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- When Russia first went to war in Chechnya in 1994, one reason was to ensure control of a transit route for Caspian oil. Five years and more than 80,000 lives later, the pipeline has proven unnecessary. Yet the fighting has resumed. The pipeline, which runs through Chechnya to the Russian port of Novorossiysk, was considered worth fighting for because of ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 09:25:39 PDT 1999

37346 Who pulled my bloody chain? (re: oppression and food stamps) -- rank: 1000

Brett Knowlton wrote: >I'd like to kindly suggest that this thread not be continued on the full >list. If you have more to say to each other, please do so offlist. > >I'm not trying to be judgemental. I missed the beginning of this whole >incident, so I have no opinion on the issue other than a hope that any >damaged relationships can be repaired. But I am tired of the squabble. >The list is much more interesting when Charles and Kelley are discussing >East Timor or th ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 08:59:17 PDT 1999

37347 Fwd: Re: Who pulled my bloody chain? (re: oppression and food stamps) -- rank: 1000

[addressed to listowner rather than list again - I'm not taking sides in this one!] From: DANIEL.DAVIES at flemings.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:38:22 +0100 Crocodile Rob wrote: >Comrade Doug! I really must protest at this gratuitous racist slur! Chew on it, marsupial-boy. I've got a bottle of Laphroaig here which says that not all Northern hemisphere countries are as lily-livered as the Irish, and that Wales will meet Australia on the 23rd of October and murder them. And all I ask for as ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 08:48:03 PDT 1999

37348 positive/negative -- rank: 1000

[Interesting poll numbers from Gallup. The good news is that Buchanan and Trump are not well-loved. The full story is at <http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr991008.asp>.] Next, we'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of this person -- or if you have never heard of him or her. Favorable Unfavorable Never heard No opinion Al Gore 55 40 ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 08:11:20 PDT 1999

37349 empty gravesite -- rank: 1000

[I'm not passing this along to exonerate the Serbs from the crimes they did commit, only to show that a lot of the war crimes rhetoric was either the product of overstimulation or propaganda.] New York Times - October 13, 1999 No Bodies at Rumored Grave Site in Kosovo By REUTERS RISTINA, Kosovo -- War crimes investigators have found nothing in a Kosovo mine shaft where hundreds of bodies were rumored to be hidden, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia has said. "They ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 07:57:23 PDT 1999

37350 Further PDS advances in Berlin -- rank: 1000

Dennis R Redmond wrote: >On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, sven.buttler crossposted: > > > Drittens: Verbindende Klammer in Ost und West ist das deutlich gewordene > > Profil der PDS als Partei der sozialen Gerechtigkeit. Sie ist eine Partei, > > von der viele Menschen konkret erfahren haben, dass sie die Mauern zwischen > > Ost und West genauso bek”mpft wie die zwischen oben und unten und zwischen > > Deutschen und Nichtdeutschen. > > Dies ist die Mailingliste Press ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 13 07:48:36 PDT 1999