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34156 Pleasures -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Doug, so you think white Oregonians, Wisconsins and Iowans suffer similar >voter intimidation as Black, Haitians and Hispanics in Florida? Of course not. Are you going to tell me there weren't/aren't local Democratic machines that have sustained themselves on vote fraud since time immemorial? I've read a bunch about some pretty scurrilous stuff done by Willie Brown in the San Francisco stadium plebescite, just to pick one recent example. >Your partisanship against ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Nov 11 12:41:25 PST 2000

34157 buggery -- rank: 1000

[from another list...] November 11- 1634-The Irish House of Commons passed an Act for the Punishment of the Vice of Buggery. John Atherton, bishop of Waterford, and Lismore, was the driving force behind the passage of the law and ironically, the first to be hanged because of it.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Nov 11 12:17:28 PST 2000

34158 Pleasures -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >This is to repeat the gist of the articles I've just posted, but I just am >appalled that the two Chucks are both denigrating the right to use the >courts to fight voting rights violations, with Chuck Grimes comparing such >legal battles to tantrums and ejaculation. > >The frigging ballot violated state law in Palm Beach, voters were denied >translators, police setup road checks near polling booths, latinos were >harassed to provide extra identificat ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Nov 11 12:12:48 PST 2000

34159 Florida Common Law and Election "Irregularities" -- rank: 1000

Tom Lehman wrote: >Let's cut to the quick. What kind of cash money are you boys talkin'? > >Tom > > > >Nathan Newman wrote: > >> ===================================================== >> Yale Law Students CAMPAIGN FOR A LEGAL ELECTION >> Yale Law School 127 Wall Street New Haven, CT 06511 >> (203) 432-4888 spin at pantheon.yale.edu > > ===================================================== I'm not the official quote-kvetcher, ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Nov 11 12:09:18 PST 2000

34160 Challenging the Black & Feminist Talented Tenth (was economic stats...) -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > To fully de-legitimate the Democratic Party, it appears that we >must, among other things, push the wedge between black & feminist >elites and those whose interests they claim to represent; and I >think it is possible to do so without sounding sectarian, by >emphasizing empirical facts & building grassroots bases among blacks >& women unclaimed & unrepresented by the Talented Tenth. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Nov 11 11:58:25 PST 2000

34161 economic stats (as if people mattered) -- rank: 1000

John Halle wrote: > Still, an increase of something on the >order of 3/4 million in the last decade should leave some fairly >significant statistical trace, both on employment rates, as Yoshie says, >and income, as I argued before. No doubt imprisonment has taken a lot of low-income black men off the labor market (something like 8% of black men between the age of 20 and 40 are serving prison terms, which is just a horrifying number). But black income gains have occurred in every qui ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Nov 11 11:49:23 PST 2000

34162 President Gore -- rank: 1000

Catherine Driscoll wrote: >Doug wrote: > >>I'm guessing that after a consultation with the ruling class, Gore >>will fold, in the interests of legitimacy and closure. > > >that's so disappointing >just when i'm really enjoying it Don't get me wrong - I'm enjoying the hell out of it. American "democracy" is the laughingstock of the world. The next chief executive of the world bourgeoisie will reek of illegitimacy. What more could you ask for? And to think - ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Nov 11 11:33:50 PST 2000

34163 America mocked -- rank: 1000

Telegraph (London) - November 10, 2000 The world mocks as America squirms By Anton La Guardia THE world's newspapers revelled in the embarrassment of the American political system yesterday, making comparisons with "banana republics", "spaghetti westerns" and the endemic corruption of Indian and Italian politics. The most caustic mockery came from countries whose democratic failings have been criticised by Washington. For many writers America had received its comeuppance for ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Nov 10 15:19:50 PST 2000

34164 FW: Re: [ASDnet] Max Sawicky on the election -- rank: 1000

debsian at pacbell.net wrote: >Well, in the Nader vote there wasn't any working class. Eh? Nader got 4% of the under-$15,000 income, 3% of the $15,000-30,000, and 2% of the higher brackets. Of those self-identifying as working class, Nader got 3%, compared with 2% for the self-i.d.'d middle class. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Nov 10 15:13:06 PST 2000

34165 EPIC refutes Clinton on Iraq -- rank: 1000

[forwarded to me for forwarding] -----Original Message----- From: epicenter at igc.org <epicenter at igc.org> To: saveageneration at egroups.com <saveageneration at egroups.com> Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:22 PM Subject: [saveageneration] EPIC refutes CLINTON Below is a transcript of a rare interview of President Clinton by Amy Goodman of Pacifica Radio. The interview was broadcast on Democracy Now, November 8. Following the interview is a brief rebuttal by the Education f ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Nov 10 15:10:05 PST 2000

34166 Nader cost himself federal funds (Re: election demographics -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >I know a lot of folks, like myself, who would have voted Nader if the Nader >supporters were not attacking other progressives Oh come now. Most "Nader supporters" didn't attack "other progressives," they attacked Clinton, Gore, and the Democratic Party as an institution. You're a very effective propagandist on behalf of Dems - even Clinton and Gore, not just the good pwogwessives. You don't buy a systemic critique of the Democratic party - which is ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Nov 10 14:56:52 PST 2000

34167 Nader: Gore was responsible for Gore's problems -- rank: 1000

Press Release November 10, 2000 CONTACT: Jake Lewis or Stacy Malkan, (202) 265-4000 GORE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR GORE'S ELECTORAL PROBLEMS WASHINGTON, D. C., Nov. 10 - Ralph Nader said today that the Gore campaign is continuing to fish for an excuse for its failures in Tuesday's election. "Clearly, the Gore supporters - and their apologists in the opinion media - would like to place the blame on our campaign, but the facts simply do not support their theory," Nader said. "Gore ran a po ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Nov 10 10:59:16 PST 2000

34168 economic statistics (as if people mattered) -- rank: 1000

John Halle wrote: >I should have made clear that I agree with you on this-though Kelly, from >what she posted may feel otherwise. Still, there is reason to believe that >census figures routinely underrepresent low-income communities, for the >reasons which Kelly gives. For sure. There's no question that poor folks are underrepresented in the official stats. Though it's also a fact that many poor people work off the books, and their incomes may not be as low as officially reported. I ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Nov 10 10:37:40 PST 2000

34169 electoral math -- rank: 1000

[from today's release from the Institute for Public Accuracy] ROBERT NAIMAN, (202) 293-5380 ext 212, (202) 265-1776, naiman at cepr.net, http://www.egroups.com/message/naiman-columns/49, http://www.cepr.net Senior analyst with the Center for Economic and Policy Research, Naiman said today: "Under the Electoral College, voters in small states have more say than people in big states. In Wyoming one vote in the Electoral College corresponds to 69,000 voters; in California, one electoral vote c ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Nov 10 09:44:18 PST 2000

34170 lbo-talk-digest V1 #3614 -- rank: 1000

John Halle wrote: >So maybe even the census numbers are cooked-I wouldn't know, though Doug >certainly seems to think otherwise. There's a big diff between imperfect and cooked. Of course they're not dead on - whatever could be? Doug

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Date:	Fri Nov 10 09:45:28 PST 2000