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33796 [fla-left] [immigrant rights] _Undocumented_ immigrants demonstrate for amnesty in Homestead (fwd) -- rank: 1000

Michael Hoover quoted: > > [Moderator's Note: No human being should ever be called "illegal" or > > "illegitimate" either.] The word "illegitimate" is pretty repulsive, but "illegal" is a statement of fact. Why is it so insulting? Lots of things are illegal that shouldn't be, but I don't see how it changes things to call someone "undocumented" rather than "illegal." Just seems to me like the left variant of the American te ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 24 08:39:47 PDT 2000

33797 Survivor! -- rank: 1000

Christopher Susi wrote: >With the exception of a few individuals (Martin Shiller, & Gordon Fitch in >particular) I am amazed how quick the posts turned to personal attacks >(outright or thinly veiled) against me for merely even stating in the >original post that I often consider both sides of the equation, and then I >began to attempt a discussion why I might favor the one not-so-popular view >when someone called me on it. Honestly, up until Friday I held this list >wit ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 24 08:34:27 PDT 2000

33798 Cybersilliness -- rank: 1000

Christopher Susi wrote: >- Believe we need to spend more tax dollars on foreign aid. Oh yes, we spend so much now! The lowest share of GDP of any rich country, actually. And much of that is loans, not grants. U.S. interests make more money from poor countries, thanks to interest payments and profit remittances, than the government gives away. Don't you have better things to do than spew this crap at us? Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 24 08:24:40 PDT 2000

33799 Captain Cyborg abandons ship -- rank: 1000

Christopher Susi wrote: >As soon as you started the name calling, you'd already lost. I'm surprised >I didn't find any "yo momma" lines in your wailings. Didn't strike me as name calling, just an accurate diagnosis. You're getting very tedious. It's not like your worldview is in particularly short supply, yhou know. Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 24 08:22:32 PDT 2000

33800 Al Gore: ex-friend of GodHatesFags.com -- rank: 1000

[This came via the GodHatesFags.com site, as relayed by highly reliable Ken Sherrill of Hunter College. The Conservative News Service site is "disabled" at the moment, so I couldn't check the original. For pix of Al, Tipper, and the evil Fred Phelps, see <http://www.godhatesfags.com/algore.html>.] Gore Sought Support of 'God Hates Fags' Creator in '88 By Scott Hogenson CNS Executive Editor October 16, 2000 Write thru. Includes quotes from Fred W. Phelps, Jr., political background ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 23 17:03:24 PDT 2000

33801 Fwd: Latest Presidential Election Numbers from www.gallup.com -- rank: 1000

Brad DeLong wrote: >It's been a long time since I've advocated sending *anybody* to the >re-education camp. But a close of the Bush - Gore margin from 11% to >2% in two days is a three-standard-deviation move. This isn't the >first or the second three-standard-deviation move in the Gallup poll >either... Wait 'til you see today's: >The latest presidential poll results are now on www.gallup.com >Results for Oct 20-22, 2000 ** > >Bush: 46% >Gore: 44% >Buchanan: ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 16:12:36 PDT 2000

33802 Survivor! -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >That is as obvious as that pope is catholic. I do not understand why >anyone is taken seriously the libertarian/individualist claims. > >To be a bona fide individualist who owes nothing to others, one must >accomplish by solely by oneself, without gratuitous assistance of others, >the following: >- be conceived >- be carried >- be deliverd, nurtured and raised >- be trained in usefull life tasks such as shitting in the potty instead of > ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 15:17:22 PDT 2000

33803 Survivor! -- rank: 1000

Catherine Driscoll wrote: >I think we should make Matt, and the rest of the world, play Emerson >for a while. >[Oh yes, I know, Thoreau is the real 'Survivor' (got to got to have >been stuff out there....?) but he was just an Emersonian robot, as >Matt knows all too well.] >Let's say -- the essay 'Self-Reliance': >last one to the final page is a Bush-voter. That nugget is on the web at <http://www.jjnet.com/emerson/selfreliance.htm>. Doug

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 09:38:36 PDT 2000

33804 Survivor! -- rank: 1000

Catherine Driscoll wrote: >I think we should make Matt, and the rest of the world, play Emerson >for a while. >[Oh yes, I know, Thoreau is the real 'Survivor' (got to got to have >been stuff out there....?) but he was just an Emersonian robot, as >Matt knows all too well.] >Let's say -- the essay 'Self-Reliance': >last one to the final page is a Bush-voter. A taste: "The nonchalance of boys who are sure of a dinner, and would disdain as much as a lord to do or say aught ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 09:41:17 PDT 2000

33805 harassing Times reporters -- rank: 1000

If you've ever read an aggravating story in the New York Times - something that happens to me almost every morning - and wanted to sound off to the hack who wrote it, you can get the email addresses of the reporters by sending an email to <staff at nytimes.com>. Doug

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 09:42:05 PDT 2000

33806 Survivor! -- rank: 1000

Rob Schaap wrote: >BTW, that Survivor bloke (the can-do All-American optimist and >never-self-doubting schemer) came over here to take part in a 'who wants to >be a millionaire' quiz game, and apparently got his awesome self cut in the >first round coz he couldn't do arithmetic. Makes ya wonder what sort of >intelligence is in fact rewarded in the war of all against all, eh? Humans got along fine for millennia without counting, much less arithmetic, much less calculus. Just think ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 09:00:03 PDT 2000

33807 drug rap? no loan! -- rank: 1000

Chronicle of Higher Education - web daily - October 23, 2000 Convicted of Drug Crimes, 7,000 U.S. Students Forfeit All or Part of Their Aid By JENNIFER YACHNIN Washington Almost 7,000 of the 9 million students who applied for federal aid for this fall are ineligible for some or all of their financial aid because of their recent convictions of drug-related offenses, according to the Education Department. Aides to Representative Mark E. Souder, the Indiana Republican who drafted the legislation ba ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 08:52:17 PDT 2000

33808 Survivor! -- rank: 1000

Matt Cramer wrote: >I hate to break up this little "no I'm the underdog" love-fest, but >utilitarian individualism is certainly NOT predominate in the US. "By >their fruits ye shall know them". Judge the actions, not the words. >Where are all these utilitarian individualists on election day? Voting >for Gore and Bush????? Yeah right. Oh yes. My dear friend Liza Featherstone said the other day that the Internet has empowered lots of people who shouldn't have ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 08:42:44 PDT 2000

33809 Fwd: Oct. 30th meeting about Pacifica Radio -- rank: 1000

Public Meeting to Discuss the Situation at Pacifica Radio, and Action We Can Take MONDAY, OCTOBER 30th - 6:30 p.m. at the offices of DC 1707 - 75 Varick St. - 14th floor (just north of Canal St., the A, E, C, 1 and 9 trains all stop at Canal) A few weeks ago we sent you a message about a meeting on October 10th to discuss what 's happening in the Pacifica Radio Network. Some of you said you were not able to attend that meeting but want to be kept informed. We hope you will be able to join us on ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 08:19:00 PDT 2000

33810 Survivor! -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >My impression is that individualism was a relatively marginal ideology >until the government-sponsored explosion of the suburban sprawl in 1950s. Depends on what you mean by individualism? Ever read any of the 19th century American classics, like Emerson, Thoreau, or Melville (who made merciless fun of the transcendentalists)? "I am an endless seeker with no past at my back. I unsettle all things," said Emerson. "Are they my poor?," asked Emers ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 23 07:03:25 PDT 2000