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331 [lbo-talk] vox populi: standardize testing -- rank: 1000

On May 19, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > On 5/19/2012 7:29 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > > >> the more "we" (who in the hell_is_ this "we" that keeps popping up) > > and > >> Trust the People > > > "We" and "the People" are not the same thing? "We" can have a definite referent. The People is an abstraction. Carrol apparently prefers the latter, presumably because Mao did. Doug

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332 [lbo-talk] vox populi: standardize testing -- rank: 1000

On May 19, 2012, at 3:49 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > A lot of things won't end capitalism, but that doesn't mean we can't fight for justice in whatever sphere we happen to inhabit. Yes. Where does one begin this fight against Capitalism except in the places one is in? Schools, workplaces, neighborhoods, whatever. I don't like it when people see struggles in isolation from each other, sectorally or geographically or demographically, but you gotta start somewhere. Doug

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Date:	Sat May 19 13:11:31 PDT 2012

333 [lbo-talk] Investors in "panic mode" - is there any other mode? -- rank: 1000

Of course there are other modes. There's the irrational exuberance mode. The market pundit Robert Prechter once said that the stock markets peak in extremes of giddy optimism and commodity markets peak in extremes of fear (shortages, etc.). Of course, something like the reverse is true at bottoms. Doug

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334 [lbo-talk] education meets capitalism -- rank: 1000

On May 12, 2012, at 3:45 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > Closing school libraries because they are poor "investments." > > http://michaelklonsky.blogspot.com/2012/05/no-payoff-so-dc-cuts-investment-in.html > > Anything that doesn't make test scores go up is a bad investment. Fucking barbarians.

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335 [lbo-talk] Graeber's latest... -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Tayssir John Gabbour wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: >> Speaking of which, someone told me that pre-artificial light people would frequently get up during the night and visit with friends and/or screw and then go back to sleep. With artificial light, and no doubt the temporal discipline of the pig system, this all changed. Has anyone else heard this? > > Yes, here's info on all that: > htt ...

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336 [lbo-talk] Graeber's latest... -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > I don't doubt that > sleep, for example, has a different 'meaning' in capitalist society Speaking of which, someone told me that pre-artificial light people would frequently get up during the night and visit with friends and/or screw and then go back to sleep. With artificial light, and no doubt the temporal discipline of the pig system, this all changed. Has anyone else heard this? Doug

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337 [lbo-talk] Graeber's latest... -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Adam Proctor wrote: > Graeber seems to get worse with every article... David: stop. Just stop, now. He's gotten extremely thin-skinned. He went ballistic on Henry Farrell (of Crooked Timber) a while back, just way out of proportion to what Henry had said. And he went medieval (ha, in the vulgar sense) on me on the Twitter because I'd objected when he claimed that there was some unprecedented turn in police repression going on. I pointed out that the history of th ...

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338 [lbo-talk] Graeber's latest... -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Adam Proctor wrote: > A public school in America, under capitalism, IS a capitalist relation. Sure, but the permeation of the choice & competition agenda combined with extensive tests (provided by profit-making enterprises) has brought things to a new level. The schools were always embedded in capitalist society, but market behavior is permeating it in new ways. Doug

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339 [lbo-talk] Third Greek coalition bid fails -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 2:16 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > The middle ages have gotten a bad rap, mostly from the Renaissance (which was essentially a counter-revolution). "It is far too easy to be liberal at the expense of the middle ages." - Marx

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340 [lbo-talk] is law enforcement a way to raise money forlocaleconomies? -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Michael Smith wrote: > Yeah, expressways are pretty much the same the world over, modulo > the local motorist asshole quotient (very high in most of the US). Ever driven in Italy? I drove the Autostrade from Florence to Perugia in 2002. I must have been doing 85 but people came up right behind me and flashed lights and blew horns. Local custom, I suppose. Doug

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341 [lbo-talk] is law enforcement a way to raise money for local economies? -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 9:00 AM, John Gulick wrote: > Sean Andrews: > > "Since my post yesterday is evidently completely incidental to the > conversation..." > > John Gulick: > > It's too bad that it was. To the degree that I followed the thread, yours was the most substantive one, and the least about putting one's socio-political personality on display. I don't have the time (or interest, frankly) to jump into the thread, but I wanted to let you know that at least ...

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342 [lbo-talk] Graeber's latest... -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > a public school is not a capitalist relation Man, is that ever changing. It's increasingly becoming a scene of profit-making (via tests). And the labor conditions are more resembling a factory staffed with contingent workers every day. Doug

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343 [lbo-talk] Graeber's latest... -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 8:39 AM, Sean Andrews wrote: > It is sort of like shooting fish in a barrel as I am mostly addressing > Hardt and Negri, this being before Graeber began his long moment in the > sun. Speaking of which, have you seen their latest? It's remarkable: http://jacobinmag.com/summer-2012/take-up-the-baton/

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344 [lbo-talk] Graeber's latest... -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Angelus Novus wrote: > Graeber argued that the existence of non-free forms of labor was as prevalent in capitalism as wage labor, and that therefore neither one nor the other is essentially capitalist. Yes. I do wonder where he gets this idea. In the U.S., nearly 60% of adults are employed at wage labor, and another 10% or more would like to be. Doug

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345 [lbo-talk] Graeber's latest... -- rank: 1000

On May 11, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > an anarchist is a neoliberal without money I don't think that's really true, but there's something to it, and it's a great line.

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