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31081 Text of Anti Terrorism Bill -- rank: 1000

Ian Murray wrote: >So informational trespassing and destruction of information is >terrorism? [page 10-11] So hackers will be to the prison system of the 00's what druggies were in the 80s and 90s? People are saying that spreading a virus or defacing a website could be punished by life without parole. Is that true? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 2 18:53:11 PDT 2001

31082 Patriotism and History -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >Please note that I said national security, not imperial security. >The number one stategic aim of any sovereign state's armed forces is >defense of the, er, homeland. The fact that we have now created a >*new* cabinent-level post to do the job that the secretary of >defense was already supposed to be doing is ludicrous. We hadn't had an attack on the homeland in 60 years - on the northern mainland since like forever. Isn't that a pretty long string? Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 18:30:33 PDT 2001

31083 Patriotism and History -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >Yes, on a cost-benefit basis it would seem we have gotten absolutely >zilch national security for all the billions we've spent -- whatever >the exact number may be -- on glitzy weaponry. What are you talking about? The U.S. has successfully dominated the world for the last 50 years, destroying its longtime rival, crushing any ideological, political, or military challenge to its rule, and pacifying the domestic population. If that isn't success, I don't know what is. ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 17:25:04 PDT 2001

31084 Patriotism and History -- rank: 1000

Ian Murray wrote: >Not to defend them but they may be 'using' a cumulative accounting >strategy. One estimate of the cold war -I think using '47-'89- in >terms of the defense budget was 9 trillion$. Add in environmental >cleanup, indoctrination of the nation via school, films etc. and >you're gonna get some big numbers over that time period. Well yeah, but you've got to add up GDP over the same period too, no? Seymour Melman used to pull this stuff all the time, comparing cumulati ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 15:47:06 PDT 2001

31085 Patriotism and History -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >(When seeking opinions on Patriotism one must also be aware of the vast >number of Americans who work in some area of that octopus nominated the >"National Security State" by sage commentators. Statistically it is the >largest Industrial grouping in the world: now employing somewhere over ten >million workers producing products and services totaling over fifty >percent (50%) of the US Gross Domestic Product) > > >Wow. Five trillion dollar ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 2 14:53:37 PDT 2001

31086 Ron Paul weighs in -- rank: 1000

[excerpts from a speech by Alex Cockburn's favorite Congressperson] <http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm> Ron Paul speech in the House of Representatives Mr. Speaker: [...] Following the September 11th disasters a militant Islamic group in Pakistan held up a sign for all the world to see. It said: AMERICANS, THINK! WHY YOU ARE HATED ALL OVER THE WORLD. We abhor the messenger, but we should not ignore the message. Here at home we are told that the only reason for the ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 14:35:54 PDT 2001

31087 FOMC statement -- rank: 1000

[The fed funds rate hasn't been this low since 1962; the discount rate, since 1955. And they've left the door open for more.] <http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/press/general/2001/20011002/default.htm> October 2, 2001 For immediate release The Federal Open Market Committee decided today to lower its target for the federal funds rate by 50 basis points to 2-1/2 percent. In a related action, the Board of Governors approved a 50 basis point reduction in the discount rate to 2 percent. T ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 2 11:35:02 PDT 2001

31088 De Long belongs ... -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >>Brad said he signed off because all the hard lefties here were making >>him feel like a right-winger, and he didn't like that. No doubt many >>will respond by saying he is a right-winger, but that's a pretty >>weird political taxonomy that makes little distinction between him >>and Jerry Falwell or Amity Shlaes. >> >>Doug > >Well, that's the wonder of Darwinian thinking, innit? Being able to >recognize the fundamental simil ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 09:23:20 PDT 2001

31089 WWP -- rank: 1000

Dennis wrote: >Yeesh. I click on the streaming video and who do I see first? Why, Larry >Holmes of the fascist Workers World Party, the folks who backed Chinese >state violence in Tienanmen Square. (I see that Holmes has been working on >his Farrakhan impression.) Must we link arms with assholes like these? >parasites who have no popular support but who latch onto any movement they >can to advance their twisted authoritarian agenda? Fuck them and Ramsey >Clark. What *is* the ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 2 08:20:38 PDT 2001

31090 Blair declares war on Taleban -- rank: 1000

Chris Kromm wrote: >Blair declares war on Taleban Did he get permission from Washington? The British press is sounding like war is more imminent than the U.S. press - does this reflect the preferences of the respective governments, or are they toying with us somehow? Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 07:59:16 PDT 2001

31091 Second World Blues -- rank: 1000

Dennis Robert Redmond wrote: >The Second World zone formerly known as the US: > >http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm By coincidence, someone from nrtw.org (National Right to Work) just signed onto the list the other day. Hello, NRTWer - you out there? Say hello, tell us why you dropped by! Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 07:42:54 PDT 2001

31092 a link -- rank: 1000

A helpful diversion in these trying times, courtesy of WFMU's email newsletter: >Useful education or just a crock of sh-t? >http://www.excreman.com/story1.htm >Let your kids follow the adventures of Excreman, an anthropomorphic turd, as >he teaches them not to be afraid of poop and to appreciate the useful, >dignified role excrement plays in the world. Maybe they'll even want to grow >up to be Excreman.

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 07:08:06 PDT 2001

31093 America's Frankenstein -- rank: 1000

Ian Murray wrote: >It's times like these we should thank the anonymous "knowledge >workers" that makes for the internet being a tool for informed >agitation and organizing.... > >< http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1820/18200170.htm > From what I've seen of the Indian press, it seems pretty serious and thoughtful, especially compared to the baying idiocy that prevails in the U.S. Anyone who knows the scene well - is this a fair impression? Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 07:03:01 PDT 2001

31094 De Long belongs ... -- rank: 1000

rws at comedu.canberra.edu.au wrote: >.. wherever he bloody well wants to be. There are things, important things >sometimes, about which most can agree with him. There are many >(most, perhaps) >about which we may not, at which times we may learn the premises and reasoning >of hegemonic logic and publicity, and even, gasp, where we're just smugly >holding forth without a case as unassailably developed as we thought it was >(happens to me a lot, anyway). His list manners a ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 2 06:50:02 PDT 2001

31095 agenda -- rank: 1000

joanna bujes wrote: >I think it's also important to point out that when you destroy the >organized left as a matter of general foreign policy, all that is >left is the organized far right, and that maybe it's time to >reconsider whether that's such a great thing. From whose point of view? Having destroyed the left, the U.S. bourgeoisie ended up with a pretty free reign for a couple of decades. They've got a little problem on their hands now, for sure, but where would they be if Commi ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 1 17:07:15 PDT 2001