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31051 Fuck Off Yoshie -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >This thread is officially condemned. >Entry is prohibited. > >It will be torn down and the space >reopened for constructive purposes. Gosh, go away for a weekend and things take a nasty turn. Too much argument by epithet here. That's not a spectator sport. Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 06:29:56 PDT 2001

31052 WWP -- rank: 1000

We've just been joined by Lou Paulsen, a Chicago-based member of Workers World. He's going to tell us what the party is all about. Doug

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Date:	Mon Oct 8 18:38:27 PDT 2001

31053 Callinicos weighs in (on Hitchens) -- rank: 1000

From: Sebastian Budgen <sebastian at amadeobordiga.u-net.com> CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS JOINS THE POSSE Christopher Hitchens has in the past two decades established himself as one of the finest writers of the left in the English speaking world. It is, therefore, nothing short of tragic to see him, in his polemic with Noam Chomsky and others over how the left should respond to the atrocities of 11 September, descend into a repellent mixture of casuistry, moral blackmail, and law-and-order rantin ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 8 18:08:24 PDT 2001

31054 killers, crooks and torturers -- rank: 1000

Independent (London) - October 7, 2001 Our friends are killers, crooks and torturers By Robert Fisk Almost four weeks after the crimes against humanity in New York and Washington, we are playing politics on the hoof and allying ourselves to some of the nastiest butchers around. Mr Blair may believe that "the values we believe in should shine through what we do in Afghanistan" but few of our "friends" in the region have many values, and some of them have a lot of blood on thei ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 8 17:21:05 PDT 2001

31055 Fw: [ASDnet] On Casey v. Chomsky & Malaria in Sudan -- rank: 1000

Luke Weiger wrote: > > Leo Casey is gone, and I for one don't miss him. No need to import >reminders. >> >> Doug > >You're so very harsh, Doug. Not really. In three years, I've booted maybe 5 people; I didn't boot Leo, but I was happy when he went. Otherwise, there's no line here, and lots of disagreements. Hell, people have been known to give me a hard time even. I disagree, often sharply, with Carrol and Nathan, but I'd be sad if either left. My main problem with L ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 12:13:58 PDT 2001

31056 Fw: [ASDnet] On Casey v. Chomsky & Malaria in Sudan -- rank: 1000

Leo Casey is gone, and I for one don't miss him. No need to import reminders. Doug

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 11:46:23 PDT 2001

31057 Complexity or hypocrisy... -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >Among the most lazy-minded, too. C'mon, not all of us. I run into people all the time who are going to school, working, in a band, publishing a zine, doing all kinds of things. Not everyone here is the passive lump of bourgeois myth. Sure, there's plenty of vulgarity, brutality, and greed, but there's a lot more than that too. My immediate neighbors in my apt bldg include a pianist, several singers, several dancers, some academics, a jewelry maker, several shrinks - and, m ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 11:36:44 PDT 2001

31058 time -- rank: 1000

This is from ISI, the punditry shop run by Wall Street's favorite economist, Ed "Newboy" Hyman (as my late friend John Liscio nicknamed him, for his propensity for putting out research reports that consist mainly of newspaper clippings with comments penciled in next to them): >The time the Bush Administration is taking in launching military >action has some major pluses: foreign leaders realize the US is not >likely to overreact militarily; the Taliban's rule in Afghanistan is ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 10:43:02 PDT 2001

31059 Bush To Propose $3b For Workers -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >War seems to be good for the working class.... Isn't it said that wartime governments pursue policies that compress the income distribution? Doug

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 09:43:42 PDT 2001

31060 RIAA -- rank: 1000

[meanwhile, in other news... - via nettime - the music industry gets back to business] From: Hilary Rosen <hrosen at riaa.com> Sent: 9/25/01 Subject: Peer to Peer Services Dear all: It is time to get coordinated and aggressive with the new round of peer to peer services. The amount of music being downloaded is, as you know, reaching unprecedented levels. Since college started last week Morpheus traffic was up to 19 million downloads per day. AND THAT'S JUST MORPHEUS. With the imminent laun ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 08:04:03 PDT 2001

31061 Chomsky: Reply to Casey -- rank: 1000

Justin Schwartz wrote: >What puzzles me about this whole discussion--not just with Leo, but >also with Hitch--is the narrow focus on a single analogy. Chomsky's >general point, that US foreign policy regularly involves actions >that cause more deaths than and have as little justification as the >attacks of 9/11, is surely hard to dispute, and I can't imagine >either Hitch, even the new Hitch, or Leo disputing this. Leo repeatedly refuses to address this point - here, there, and ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 08:00:57 PDT 2001

31062 postwar planning -- rank: 1000

[from the World Bank's daily development news service] U.S. MAY BOOST AID TO AFGHANS. As it assembles a massive diplomatic, financial and military arsenal against terrorist kingpin Osama bin Laden and his Taliban hosts in Afghanistan, the White House is weighting a proposal to deploy a much more basic weapon, targeted at the long-suffering Afghan people, reports the Washington Post (A1). Under a plan drawn up by U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) Administrator Andrew Natsios, bags ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 07:59:24 PDT 2001

31063 Hitchens's riposte to Chomsky -- rank: 1000

rws at comedu.canberra.edu.au wrote: > > An undistinguished Dissentoid with timid politics. So it's come to > > this, has it? > >Am I the only undistinguished Dissentoid with timid politics on this list, or >was that a faux pas, Doug? Huh? I don't think of you that way at all. Where's you get that idea? I mean someone who writes for Dissent and shares its Cold War politics. I don't think you're one of those, unless I've misunderstood badly. Doug

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 07:57:40 PDT 2001

31064 The anti imperialism of fools? -- rank: 1000

rws at comedu.canberra.edu.au wrote: >Nor should one pretend one can't pogo to a bit of Ramones or cringe before a >Cage onslaught and still not loathe the American nation state's sway in the >world. Exactly. Didn't the article make the point that we should distinguish between the U.S. ruling class and its state, on one hand, and the masses and our culture (both pop and high) on the other? I don't think it'd be news to anyone that I despise the American imperial state. > I talked po ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 07:56:31 PDT 2001

31065 The anti imperialism of fools? -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: Alexandre Fenelon wrote: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/rads-s22.shtml Hmm. There's a lot in there I like. Doug Hmm, indeed. Good spelling, correct grammar ... anything else? Well, this sort of thing: >To present "the US" as some predatory imperialist monolith, as Raven >and others do, can only confuse and disorient. It not only serves as >a barrier to genuine internationalism, it overlooks the >contradictory character of American history and ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 4 04:26:33 PDT 2001