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31036 Is there a nonviolent response to September 11? -- rank: 1000

kelley wrote: >what i can't understand is why anyone would think that what seth >just typed or even mcreynold's wrote is somehow not the view of most >of us here? Regardless of what most of us think, many people in the peace movement are absolutely unable or unwilling to condemn the bad guys and say they should be punished. That's no good. Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 16:03:30 PDT 2001

31037 Steve Perry -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >I just wish I could figure out how to filter >more posts in Outlook. Can't MSFT do anything right? Eudora has wonderful filters - you can delete, copy to a mailbox, forward, play sounds, practically shine your shoes based on very flexible criteria. Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 15:56:16 PDT 2001

31038 discourse -- rank: 1000

Steve Perry wrote: >oh, is it all just a matter of various sorts of sectarian intolerance, doug? >or have you, in yr salon, bred numerous hothouse flowers that simply won't >blossom in the heat of day? > >go ahead and unsubscribe me. i get enough junk mail as is. Unsubscribe yourself. You know how, don't you? Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 14:17:40 PDT 2001

31039 consequences -- rank: 1000

This was just pointed out to me offlist: >i didn't want to say this onlist, but surely you have to feel that you could >pull the plug on this list without affecting a single thing in the world >aside from the volume of mail in subscribers' email boxes. > >but then i've never been big on civility, have i? It would also reduce my Panix bill and give me more time to devote to remunerative writing assignments. The more I think about it, the more tempting it gets. Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 14:14:27 PDT 2001

31040 Is there a nonviolent response to September 11? -- rank: 1000

Seth Ackerman wrote: >In the sprit of Doug's call for some practical thinking about a left >position on this war, I'll say some things about David McReynolds' comments. Thank you. More of this please. Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 14:03:05 PDT 2001

31041 discourse -- rank: 1000

Yes, I want a democratic forum. My complaint was that lots of listmembers don't seem to agree - they don't want to hear from people whose interests, beliefs, or temperaments are significantly different from theirs. And they have the epithets to prove it. Doug Juan Jose Barrios wrote: >it is precisely on crisis times when you must become more tolerant. Views >are usually expressed under too much anxiety. Just let it go. Dont you >wanted a democratic forum?? > >Doug Henwood wrote: & ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 13:04:59 PDT 2001

31042 Fwd: Is there a nonviolent response to September 11? -- rank: 1000

David McReynolds writes... >From: DavidMcR at aol.com >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:11:00 EDT > > These are preliminary notes and I certainly welcome responses. It is a >draft of an article for the Nonviolent Activist of WRL. David > > Is there a Nonviolent Solution to the World Trade Center Bombing? > > That is, of course, a shorthand title for "and the Pentagon, and a dozen >other acts of terrorism directed against the US". This is my thinking - I d ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 13:01:07 PDT 2001

31043 Lenin -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: >> >> Macdonald Stainsby wrote: > >> > Meaning that our orientation is far less concerned >> >with appearances than it is results. >> >> Right. And several people at Zizek's Esssen conference on Lenin said >> that Leninism was about "concrete analysis of the concrete >> situation." What is specifically Leninist about this, or giving >> priority to results over appearances? & ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 12:54:31 PDT 2001

31044 Steve Perry -- rank: 1000

lweiger at umich.edu wrote: >Doug, would you please welcome him back? I'd hate to think that my >most lasting contribution to this list was hastening (with Justin's >help) the exit of such an open and unblinded mind. He didn't leave, though he seems to be contemplating it. I've been especially distressed - meaning I usually am, but it's been worse lately - by the insularity of a lot of listmembers. They're not interested in, or quite hostile to, people they deem too sectarian, or too l ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 12:46:37 PDT 2001

31045 WWP -- rank: 1000

Steve Perry wrote: >to conflate anti-intellectualism and anti-academicism is emblematic >of what's wrong with this list. But isn't that just what you did? You used "academic" as a pejorative way of referring to thinking about things. Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 08:13:49 PDT 2001

31046 WWP -- rank: 1000

kelley wrote: >At 09:51 AM 10/9/01 -0500, Steve Perry wrote: >>some people on the list are quite active, as i understand it. good. on the >>whole, however, there's an overabundance of prattling about the formalities >>of discourse and the same old internecine conflicts on the so-called left, >>and a shortage of posts that impart real information from sites round the >>web--real news and analysis being such scarce commodities now, by design. > > >so, you ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 08:10:58 PDT 2001

31047 lbo-talk-digest V1 #5003 -- rank: 1000

Macdonald Stainsby wrote: >No one goes to the modern people and starts ranting on about Lenin >and the need >to study, say, Imperialism... and garners any relevance. What's >relevant is the >strategic orientation- the tactical use of anything and everything to make a >quick spine-snapping action. Oddly homicidal language here. > Meaning that our orientation is far less concerned >with appearances than it is results. Right. And several people at Zizek's Esssen conference ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 07:46:02 PDT 2001

31048 WWP -- rank: 1000

Steve Perry wrote: >right you are. the point's the same; fiddling while rome burns. So what should the fiddlers be doing instead (that they aren't doing already, that is)? Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 07:29:53 PDT 2001

31049 WWP -- rank: 1000

Steve Perry wrote: >well, in any case the added presence of comrade louie louie seems assured of >taking lbo dialogue down yet another path to the academic parlor. as if one >was needed. This use of "academic" isn't very helpful, or in this case, is it very accurate. WWP is a small party of limited popular appeal that has almost nothing to do with the academy. Yoshie is a grad student who does lots of activism. "Academic" in this case is just an epithet. Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 07:14:15 PDT 2001

31050 WWP -- rank: 1000

Dennis wrote: >I have no desire nor time to get involved with a discussion about the >fucking WWP. Sometimes anti-sectarianism can be pretty damned sectarian too. This sounds more like a fatwa than an argument. Doug

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Date:	Tue Oct 9 06:48:57 PDT 2001