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31021 lbo-talk-digest V1 #5036 -- rank: 1000

Macdonald Stainsby wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "lbo-talk-digest" <owner-lbo-talk-digest at lists.panix.com> > > > Look, Carrol. We have a very serious crime, mass murder, in fact. > >Where was this self-righteousness during the illegal mass murder of Yugoslav >citizens during the bombardment of Yugoslavia? I forgot, they aren't >from North >America .... they don't count. To whom is this addressed? Most people on this list, including ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 10 13:32:48 PDT 2001

31022 [Fwd: Black America and the Struggle for Peace] -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >>From: Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> >> >>You may find my questions empty, Carrol, but this is just not >>relevant to the present situation at all. When will people start >>thinking and stop invoking received pieties? >> >>Doug > >I'm all for banning shibboleths, Doug; however, some setting of >priorities is needed. Right now I'm a lot more concerned about the >received pieties being emitted by Bush, Blair &a ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 10 13:02:39 PDT 2001

31023 Steve Perry weighs in -- rank: 1000

kelley wrote: >right. but chip says that they clerical fascists hell bent on taking >over the world. this policy would mean their inevitable rise to >power once we stop protecting monarchies and other nasty regimes, >no? and, accordingly, yoshie says that the left must rise up against >fascist states. so... why pursue a policy sure to yield a fascist >state with control of a major amount of oil and, thus, a major >amount of power in the world and, clearly, an ability to take ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 10 13:02:15 PDT 2001

31024 WWP -- rank: 1000

kelley wrote: >whatever is on the other side of steve's "non-academic" --or even >mine--it is not homogeneous, anyway (nor should those who comprise >the "academics" on this list be said to always engage in academic >discourse in a homogeneous way, either. And I ain't no academic, but Steve thinks I talk too much theory. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 10 12:39:02 PDT 2001

31025 Steve Perry weighs in -- rank: 1000

[Steve Perry sent this draft of his latest, which seems pretty reasonable to me.] What Is To Be Done? There are lots of Americans who would like an alternative to prolonged war. Is there one? by Steve Perry Don't let the heady poll numbers in support of Bush and his war mandate fool you. There are plenty of Americans who nurture a healthy suspicion regarding the motives of U.S. foreign policy and the wisdom of waging endless war on untold fronts, a suspicion bred by memories of Vietnam, however ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 10 12:25:54 PDT 2001

31026 [Fwd: Black America and the Struggle for Peace] -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox quoted: >Black America and the Struggle for Peace >By Frances M. Beal > >No matter how diligently some Black leaders wave their American flags >these days, they stand in opposition to a consistent historical thread >that has... Quick, someone tell Colin Powell & Condoleezza Rice. Oh, I forgot, their positions are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. As are the opinion polls that show no significant differences between blacks and whites in opinions on the wa ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 10 12:12:37 PDT 2001

31027 Is there a nonviolent response to September 11? -- rank: 1000

Jordan Hayes wrote: >If that's true, the Geneva Convention would apply to the WTC. > >See Part I, Article 3: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm Hmm, some very scary ex-Special Forces guy on the O'Reilly Factor last night said that any U.S. commando action will be of the "direct action" sort (yeah, how about that use of words, anarchists?): i.e., all enemy forces will be killed. O'Reilly asked, "Even if their hands are up in the air and they're surrendering?" Th ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 10 12:07:36 PDT 2001

31028 empty questions, emptier answers? -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: >> >> C. G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> >That seems to me quite right. Consider where America's "humanitarian" >> [clip] >> >> So let me ask you the same question - what are we supposed to do? Nothing? >> > >Yoshie and I have and others have laid out very clear programs, and many >people all over the country are actively engaged in carrying out those >programs. So why do you keep as ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 10 06:24:31 PDT 2001

31029 other than bombing -- rank: 1000

Times (London) - October 10, 2001 They opted to bomb, it had better work Simon Jenkins So it must be done the old way after all. The faces of Britain's rulers on Monday night said it all. They had lost the argument. Sitting in Parliament they looked haggard and wretched. Tony Blair thumped on yet again about Osama bin Laden being a fiend and a monster. Everyone chanted that bombing should be "proportionate, measured, targeted", knowing that this was beyond their control. Clare Short's ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 10 06:23:01 PDT 2001

31030 economics Nobel -- rank: 1000

Meanwhile in other news... >* THE NOBEL IN ECONOMIC SCIENCE will also be announced this > morning. Once the announcement is made, you'll find an > article on it at the address below. > --> SEE http://chronicle.com/free/2001/10/2001101004n.htm

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Date:	Wed Oct 10 06:02:18 PDT 2001

31031 Doug's non-rhetorical WITBD?, as Re: Is ... -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >mbs: I wouldn't bank on isolationism. It was a >plausible approach before 911, but after being >attacked few isolationists would fail to transform >into raving internationalists of the unilateral >variety. A problem with this analysis is that New Yorkers seem less bellicose than USers elsewhere, and the victims' families seem less bent on violent revenge than do their most audible mourners. Doug

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Date:	Wed Oct 10 06:01:14 PDT 2001

31032 A Vote of No Confidence (was Is there a nonviolent response to September 11?) -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >The governing elite of this nation are not fit to rule. A vote of no >confidence. Which is why both Bush and his war's approval ratings are at 90%? Doug

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Date:	Wed Oct 10 05:51:12 PDT 2001

31033 Is there a nonviolent response to September 11? -- rank: 1000

Justin Schwartz wrote: >Look, Carrol. We have a very serious crime, mass murder, in fact. >Doing nothing about is not an option. I do not support war, but >there is a fairly well-established protolocal for a criminal >investigation. You gather evidence, identify suspects with probable >cause, find 'em, and bust 'em. Who serves the warrant, and makes the arrest? I asked David McReynolds that question, and all he could say was that I'd struck the sore point of his position. Doug

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Date:	Wed Oct 10 05:40:49 PDT 2001

31034 Is there a nonviolent response to September 11? -- rank: 1000

C. G. Estabrook wrote: >That seems to me quite right. Consider where America's "humanitarian" >interventions have been centered in the Bush-Clinton-Bush era: since the >Gulf War, we've managed to kill perhaps twice the number that died in the >WTC in Somalia: establish a protectorate over southwest Europe; and launch >a selfless crusade in Afghanistan to rid the world of terrorism. Three >points of a triangle containing what for almost a century successive US >go ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 10 05:37:38 PDT 2001

31035 Is there a nonviolent response to September 11? -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >Without exception, every single proposal for punishing them is going to >have the result, if carried into practice, of _certainly_ killing and >disrupting the lives of 10s of thousands of people and STILL not >necessarily catching or punishing the bad guys. > >That's good? So you do nothing? And that's not a rhetorical question. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 9 17:18:36 PDT 2001