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30646 Leo corrected -- rank: 1000

Ken Hanly wrote: >Is it wrong to say that West has operated a foreign policy modelled on >permament war-footing. What is your evidence that this is incorrect? Thanks to Sam Smith for putting this in my inbox so I have the exact words close at hand: >RECOVERED HISTORY >May 1996 > >LESLEY STAHL, 60 MINUTES: We have heard that a half million children have >died [because of sanctions against Iraq]. I mean, that's more children than >died in Hiroshima and and you know, is the ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 13 15:31:38 PDT 2001

30647 What is the moral course -- rank: 1000

Precisely what's so ridiculous about it, Max? It may be ridiculous in the context of mainstream U.S. politics, but I don't see why we should observe those conventions. What conceivable military response could the U.S./NATO take that would stop a recurrence of this sort of thing? It doesn't take that many dedicated, desperate, and disciplined people to wreak major havoc. Any likely military action is likely to produce fresh volunteers for the cause, not long-term peace. So what's your idea of a n ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 13 14:59:07 PDT 2001

30648 seeing the future from the past -- rank: 1000

[from another list - from Slate, 1999] <http://www.slate.com/Earthling/99-12-29/Earthling.asp> "A prime example of an outmoded policy is the Clinton administration's response to the African embassy bombings. Even with a bunch of terrorists conveniently assembled in a single spot, the cruise missile strike in Afghanistan was self-defeating: It no doubt guaranteed Osama Bin Laden 10 new recruits for every terrorist who was killed. And torching that Sudanese pharmaceutical plant didn't d ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 13 12:59:08 PDT 2001

30649 how is new york? -- rank: 1000

Lawrence wrote: >Hey Doug, how is the city? I'm down in Viriginia. Are things returning to >normal? Are the stores all open? Does your neighborhood feel normal? I >understand that everything from Soho south is crazy, but how is the rest of >the island? Are the subways running? Things are mostly "normal," if weirdly so. Things didn't work right on Tuesday - subways not running, bridges closed, streets almost free of traffic, phones intermittent, stores closed, etc. But there ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 13 10:24:57 PDT 2001

30650 Zizek weighs in -- rank: 1000

WELCOME TO THE DESERT OF THE REAL! Slavoj Zizek The ultimate American paranoiac fantasy is that of an individual living in a small idyllic Californian city, a consumerist paradise, who suddenly starts to suspect that the world he lives in is a fake, a spectacle staged to convince him that he lives in a real world, while all people around him are effectively actors and extras in a gigantic show. The most recent example of this is Peter Weir's The Truman Show (1998), with Jim Carrey playing the sm ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 13 08:49:12 PDT 2001

30651 Fwd: Robert Fisk, September 13 -- rank: 1000

[My DSL line went down on Tuesday evening, as did Panix dialup. Dialup is back, and DSL should be soon. So, just catching up...] Independent (London) - September 13, 2001 They can run and they can hide. Suicide bombers are here to stay By Robert Fisk Not long before the Second World War, Stanley Baldwin, who was Britain's Prime Minister, warned that "the bomber will always get through". Today, we can argue that the suicide bomber will always get through. Maybe not all of them. We may n ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 13 08:14:53 PDT 2001

30652 news from NewsMax -- rank: 1000

Expert: Terrorists Chose West Coast Flights for Fuel Load by Hugh Sprunt Click here: <http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/9/11/122121>http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/9/11/122121

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 11 14:19:50 PDT 2001

30653 Hi-jack fall-out -- rank: 1000

Brad DeLong wrote: >No. I genuinely don't understand how anyone can think that killing a >secretary working on the 80th floor of the World Trade Center hurts >some organism called "the U.S." that, say, assisted Pinochet... So how does killing half a million Iraqi kids hurt an organism called "Saddam"? This is a country that drops bombs on people from miles in the sky, and launches cruises from thousdands of miles away, at almost no risk to its military personnel, muc ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 11 13:56:55 PDT 2001

30654 Hi-jack fall-out -- rank: 1000

Brad DeLong wrote: >>There is nothing to celebrate but the Palestinian reaction is certainly >>understandable. > > >If there's nothing to celebrate, how can a celebration be understandable? The U.S. has killed people for decades at almost no risk to itself. It's supported the most murderous, repressive regimes imaginable. Can't you imagine how some of its victims could feel a little Schadenfreude? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 11 13:07:23 PDT 2001

30655 Hi-jack fall-out -- rank: 1000

Ken Hanly wrote: >Just how would NMD defend against attacks like this? You're being rational. What Congressperson would vote against it after 10,000 deaths? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 11 10:04:15 PDT 2001

30656 Hi-jack fall-out -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >From the Palestinian viewpoint, things have been real ugly for a while now. >I wonder if Sharon and his merry pranksters will suffer at all from >this blowback, or is the US just going to get more openhanded in >supporting Israel? Revenge and repression will rule, no? Is there any reason to think otherwise? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 11 10:09:34 PDT 2001

30657 Hi-jack fall-out -- rank: 1000

Dennis wrote: >Here in Ann Arbor we have a large Palestinian population. I pray that this >is not connected to Hamas, though that may not matter once the blood gets >pumping. Lots of Palestinian small businesses here. I haven't gone out >(don't want to), but I doubt that they're open at the moment. The terrorism industry seems to have settled on Osama bin-Laden as the culprit. Lawrence Eagleburger was on MSNBC a while ago saying we should wipe out Afghanistan. A slightly exaggerated ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 11 09:30:20 PDT 2001

30658 UN evacuated -- rank: 1000

Peter van Heusden wrote: >both towers are now down. Hope Doug's not in Manhattan right now... I am, but aside from the smell, the buzzing helicopters, and the nonfunctioning subways, you're hardly aware that anything profoundly disastrous has happened five or six miles south. No doubt thousands have died. It's scary to think of the consequences of this - Uncle Sam will be out for revenge, repression will intensify, and god knows what else. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 11 07:41:19 PDT 2001

30659 UN evacuated -- rank: 1000

Daniel Davies wrote: > --- Peter van Heusden <pvh at egenetics.com> wrote: > >> >> both towers are now down. Hope Doug's not in Manhattan right now... >> > >Assuming he's in his office, that he hasn't moved office since some random >conference programme was put on the web, and if my map-reading is right, Doug >ought to be a couple of miles away from the WTC. Fingers crossed ... Thanks for all the concern, but I'm up here on 85th St, in my safe upper w ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 11 07:43:17 PDT 2001

30660 UN evacuated -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >that's right. One of the towers >is now half its prior height. >There's smoke over the entire >lower half of Manhattan. >mbs > > >am i understanding right, one of the trade towers collapsed? > >criminy. Well now it's two, and you can smell it uptown. Helicopters buzzing by over the Hudson. No subways, no traffic allowed into town. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 11 07:36:29 PDT 2001