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30541 ADA -- rank: 1000

[posted from non-sub'd address] From: sawicky at epinet.org (Max Sawicky) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:25:23 -0400 ** Web version Available at www.adaction.org/newsandnotes.html ADAction News and Notes -- Vol. 13 No. 23 September 21, 2001 . . . --LIBERALISM IN THE POST-SEPT 11TH ERA-- The political landscape of the United States is vastly altered from that of only two weeks ago. Rancorous partisan debates over the budget have been transformed into almost unanimous, bipartisan calls for retaliati ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 13:26:21 PDT 2001

30542 Gitlin on the student peace movement -- rank: 1000

ppillai at sprint.ca wrote: >some its victims managed to >slip out from beneath your bloodied boot for the first time in 50+ yrs Hmm, well, these particular victims seem to be from the educated middle class, and espouse a doctrine - or at least the milieu they're said to emerge from espouses a doctrine - that's pretty hideous. These aren't Uncle Sam's enemies from the good old days, like Fidel or the Sandinistas. So I'd say framing these folks as revolutionaries isn't a very promising stra ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 13:23:42 PDT 2001

30543 Gitlin on the student peace movement -- rank: 1000

ppillai at sprint.ca wrote: >Wow . . . quite a remarkable inversion of that slogan. >I guess the right can pretty much appropriate anything. Nathan is not the right. He may be the right compared to some people on this list, maybe most people, but he's a radical and a socialist by any normal political taxonomy. Please, let's avoid this sort of name-slinging. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 11:46:50 PDT 2001

30544 Gitlin on the student peace movement -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Why lefties believe it is true for their favored victims, >but think US victims will meekly accept less is beyond me. For the record, I'm not for "meek acceptance." I'm for some kind of international investigation, pursuit, and trial. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 09:56:26 PDT 2001

30545 SWP & Informers -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >At the risk of offending the moderator, I'm gonna ask a question >(just one on this topic, Doug!). What's the average rate of >infiltration by the FBI & the like of left-of-center outfits in the >20th century? If none of you have an answer to the question, no >problem. I'm just curious. That's not offensive, that's an interesting question. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 09:58:44 PDT 2001

30546 Gitlin on the student peace movement -- rank: 1000

Jacob Segal wrote: >How does the peace movement answer the point that "we have to do something" >or that the US needs to prevent more terrorism? Not my questions of course, >but just curious. Whatever that soemthing is, bombing Afghanistan shouldn't be part of it. After that, answers may vary. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 09:51:01 PDT 2001

30547 SWP & Informers -- rank: 1000

I really don't see how a discussion of the SWP of 30 years ago is terribly relevant or helpful right now. We've got enough division & paranoia to worry about today without resurrecting ancient battles. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 08:36:23 PDT 2001

30548 Shrub talks, Cheney watches on TV -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: > > >Ian Murray wrote: >> >> >> What is the future of dissent given the last 9 days? >> > >I feel optimistic for the first time in 30 years. Please tell us why. Still clutching after shreds of optimism, Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 08:13:34 PDT 2001

30549 Gloria Steinem to speak in Toledo -- rank: 1000

Diane Monaco wrote: >Well, Steve, she threatened to sue a publisher for libel which means >she must have felt the written material was defamatory -- does that >not point in the direction of slander? It also points in the direction of intimdation. Given how difficult it is for a public figure to win a libel suit, her case was probably pretty shaky. But the publisher chickened out. Doug

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Date:	Fri Sep 21 08:08:24 PDT 2001

30550 Gloria Steinem to speak in Toledo -- rank: 1000

Stephen E Philion wrote: >what's so slanderous about the accusation? > >Steve > >On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Diane Monaco wrote: > >> Macdonald, I find it even more dejecting that some would find it worthy to >> highlight such slanderous accusations, from one's youth mind you, as >> weighing in more than a full life of very meaningful and progressive > > activities that have meant the world to many of us. The Redstockings brought up Steinem's CIA past in a ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 07:55:29 PDT 2001

30551 diversity -- rank: 1000

Ian Murray wrote: >Brad, like the rest us of lboer's and many many others are suffering >not a little emotional and cognitive dissonance. This should make us >more patient with one another and a bit more careful in the way we >struggle to articulate from "the suffering." Yes. Please. Thank you. Doug

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Date:	Fri Sep 21 07:50:35 PDT 2001

30552 Gitlin on the student peace movement -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >On the other hand, I have great confidence in our ability to challenge the >current war fever, as I wrote. And great confidence in the current new >generation of activists to try new better tactics that actually promote >positive alternatives, rather than just a "no" strategy. The first task, it seems to me, for a peace movement right now would be to stop the U.S. from doing anything horridly crazy. I don't think you need to come up with an alternativ ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Sep 21 07:34:47 PDT 2001

30553 Put options on American Airlines -- rank: 1000

Macdonald Stainsby wrote: >Stan mentioned on L-I that what is needed now is to look and see >whether or not >the actual evidence that the Mossad and/or CIA and or.... had something to do >with the recent attacks. This seems like the mirror image of Bush's nomination of Osama bin Laden: who needs evidence? It just feels right. >Of course. >Perhaps now there has arisen guilt for *someone* that any but the >truly paranoid >can deal with. I not familiar with Wall St Terms, I ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 21 07:29:33 PDT 2001

30554 Statement by Ted Turner -- rank: 1000

Ken Hanly wrote: >Business executive and CNN founder Ted Turner argued against a military >solution yesterday at the United Nations as he delivered a $31 million check >to cover part of the United States' U.N. dues. "We should not, I don't >think, go around and indiscriminately start bombing countries that we >suspect the terrorists are in because there are terrorists everywhere, here >in the United States," he said. "What were [Oklahoma City bombers] Terry >N ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 20 17:57:29 PDT 2001

30555 headgear -- rank: 1000

According to a Louisiana newspaper, The Advocate: >U.S. Rep. John Cooksey, R-Monroe, told a network of Louisiana radio >stations Monday that someone "wearing a diaper on his head" should >expect to be interrogated in the investigation of terrorist attacks >on the Pentagon and New York City.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 20 08:55:38 PDT 2001