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30466 Hitchens At War -- rank: 1000

Ted Winslow wrote: >Doug asks: > >> Where does Tariq Ali ever say that? > >In the passage I quoted. > >"They ['the groups that carried out the attack on the United States'] are >'liberals with a bomb'." > >This is elaborated in the second paragraph. The "liberals with a bomb" observation follows this: >It is pressure politics of the sort, which deliberately excludes any >attempt to mobilize mass support. Someone once referred to them as ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 27 08:23:08 PDT 2001

30467 blame America? the supply-side view -- rank: 1000

September 27, 2001 A Question of Decency To: Charles Krauthammer & Michael Kelly, Warriors Extraordinaire From: Patricia Koyce Wanniski Re: Prudence Is Not Treason Of all the columns I've seen, read, and sometimes wept over since September 12th, the day after the terrorist bombings, it is the attacks on prudence which have surprised me most. The two offenders who come to mind are you, Misters Krauthammer and Kelly. Your headlines read in Monday's New York Daily News, "‘Blame America’ Ga ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 27 07:53:52 PDT 2001

30468 Hitchens At War -- rank: 1000

Ted Winslow wrote: This illustrates my point. The ends of the terrorists were good ("liberal") Where does Tariq Ali ever say that? Here's what he says in an interview I'm running in the next LBO: "The Islamic world is no different from any other. All the wars and revolutions that shaped the 20th century had their influence on the Muslim world as well. One of the largest Communist Parties in the world was in the Muslim country of Indonesia. The most gifted intellectuals were in th ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 27 07:42:03 PDT 2001

30469 Hitchens responds to critics -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >Justin Schwartz wrote: > > > > . Im Anfang war der Tat. > >Ah Ah! According to Doug this is pseudo-science from the Sunday Times. The beginning was long ago; we're somewhere between the middle and the end now. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 27 06:48:46 PDT 2001

30470 NLG event -- rank: 1000

Nathan, evidently your colleagues at the NLG don't think it's defamatory to talk about causes... >The National Lawyers Guild is sponsoring an event entitled "Causes, >Responses, Long-Term Solutions" on 10/3 from 7-9 p.m. It features >ABDEEN JABARA >(Past President of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee), >DONNA LIEBERMAN of NYCLU, MANNING MARABLE (Co-Founder of the Black Radical >Congress) and MICHAEL RATNER of the Center for Constitutional Rights. > & ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 27 06:47:04 PDT 2001

30471 Sociology and Explanations (Re: Hitchens responds to critics -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >I do not buy it. I do not think that islamic leaders "represent" the >oppressed masses in any meaningful way. They seem to be simply fascist >entrepreneurs gaining windfall from popular dissatisfaction. In that way, >they are no diffrent than fascist thugs in Italy who attracted the peasant > followers by dispensing favors and privileges bankrolled by landowners. > >It is a sad commentary on the state of the Left to see it being so st ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 27 06:45:39 PDT 2001

30472 Does working class influence foreign policy? -- rank: 1000

John Gulick wrote: >Nathan Newman wrote: > >... a lot of folks don't put the onus on the US working >class and artificially attribute it to some corporate "other" that manages >to run US foreign policy apparently without any interference by the actual >voters. > >I now write: > >I more or less agree with this. A quote from a piece by R.W. "Johnny" Apple in today's NYT: >President Bush, currently enjoying a 90 percent approval rating, >appea ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 27 06:43:46 PDT 2001

30473 brilliant and nutty -- rank: 1000

pms wrote: >What's WV? Workers Vanguard, the newspaper of the Spartacist League, one of the more purist of the Trotskyist sects. They're so enamored of sectarian in-fighting that they reprint their opponents attacks on them in a series called "Hate Trotskyism, Hate the Spartacist League." I love the paper, though, and it costs only $3 a year, or something like that. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Sep 27 06:32:30 PDT 2001

30474 security -- rank: 1000

[bounced bec of an attachment] From: SergioL652 at aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:07:08 EDT I received this e-mail from the EPA Region 2 system, were I work (Region 2 is in New York, I work in the Edison, NJ field office of EPA). Things are getting crazy when questions from a Taxi Driver from the "Middle East" causes EPA to post armed guards at their gates. Our facility has about 200 people in very old Army type one story buildings, not exactly an inviting target. Sergio Lopez Edis ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 26 15:16:11 PDT 2001

30475 "Cause" vs. "Justified" (was: Re: Hitchens responds to critics) -- rank: 1000

Justin Schwartz wrote: >I do not think that it is Nathan's commitment to the DP that makes >hism say such odd things as he has been saying. There are lots of >Democrats who agree with us and not with him. My mom, for example. >Maybe it is the shock of looking out your window in Jersey City at >the hole in the skyline. It could make you or me a bid loopy too. I can look out my office window and see the same hole. There, just did. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 26 14:31:40 PDT 2001

30476 Brilliant and Nutty -- rank: 1000

Randy Steindorf wrote: >You described a recent WV editorial (dated Sept 12) on the WTC >terrorism as both nutty and brilliant. Which parts do you find >brilliant and which nutty? I am a recent subscriber to WV so I am >interested in what you and your list members consider valid or not >valid in the WV editorial, and general political position. I agree with the overall drift of the piece, which is the way I feel about lots of WV stuff. I especially like this: >SEPTEMBER 12 - Y ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 26 13:56:15 PDT 2001

30477 Hitchens responds to critics -- rank: 1000

ppillai at sprint.ca wrote: >Was It Really Worth It, >Mrs. Albright? > >THE PRICE > >By Alexander Cockburn >and Jeffrey St. Clair > >Once a war criminal, once a US senator, now president of the New School, >Bob Kerrey joined CNN's Paula Zahn as for commentary Monday morning. >Zahn made chaste reference to Kerrey's expertise in military affairs. >This plunges us straight into the fierce debate about how much of a >historical context one is permitted to give ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 26 12:06:49 PDT 2001

30478 "Cause" vs. "Justified" (was: Re: Hitchens responds to critics) -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >So how does the Left defend the virtue of the working class while demonizing >its elected leaders? Well you start by saying that the state is a class state, that despite the mechanics of formal democracy, generally represents the interests of a ruling class. You add to that that the media that help form the consciousness of that working class are in the pocket of that ruling class. That's not a very obscure position, is it? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 26 12:38:49 PDT 2001

30479 video not old, but staged? -- rank: 1000

[anyone know anything about this?] >from Indy Media: >"Celebrating Palestinians": Scene WAS ACTUALLY staged (english) >by Juergen 3:02am Tue Sep 25 '01 (Modified on 3:54am Tue Sep 25 '01) > >"A few days ago a Brazilian student, Marcio, claimed CNN was showing old >scenes of celebrating Palestinians, claiming they were celebrating the >WTC disaster. Well, the scenes were not old, but were manipulated! > >"In a recent statement CNN insisted that the f ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 26 12:55:07 PDT 2001

30480 ok Lbo-ers, rip this to shreds =) -- rank: 1000

David "Bomber" Rieff wrote: >That this movement has arisen in the Islamic world should come as no >surprise. For it is in the Islamic world and sub-Saharan Africa (much of >which, of course, is Muslim) where the experience of the last 10 years has >been of worsening economic misery and social breakdown. The fact that in >these two parts of the world, globalization was experienced quite literally >as a catastrophe, whereas not just in the West, but in East Asia, Latin ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 26 12:08:38 PDT 2001