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28936 lbo-talk-digest V1 #6338 -- rank: 1000

Jeffrey Fisher wrote: > >On Wednesday, June 19, 2002, at 12:44 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > >>Jeffrey Fisher wrote: >>> >>>actually, i think it's more cynicism than "postmodern relativism" >>>(i've never understood exactly what that is, anyway, speaking of >>>straw men) >> >>"There's no such thing as value - there's only supply and demand." >> - chief investment officer of a large insurance company, circa 198 ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 19 11:27:21 PDT 2002

28937 Alterman on Chomsky -- rank: 1000

Brad DeLong wrote: >So what is it, then? Chip thinks it's sheer total >arrogance--unwillingness to ever vacate any position that he has >ever defended for any reason--that if he does that, the terrorists >will have won... I wouldn't use the word arrogance, because he's usually a modest and generous guy. I think extreme stubbornness is more like it. I admire him a lot, but I do wish he'd admit he fucked up bigtime. Doug

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Date:	Wed Jun 19 11:21:51 PDT 2002

28938 great leads... -- rank: 1000

...from the New York Post, of course: At 7:32 AM -0400 6/19/02, newsletters at nypost.com wrote: >TRANSSEXUAL TEARS IN HARASS TRIAL: >http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/50727.htm > By KATI CORNELL SMITH > A busty blond transsexual fled a Brooklyn courtroom in tears >yesterday after describing on the witness stand how bat-wielding >Toys "R" Us workers threatened her friends while they were shopping >for Barbie dolls.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 19 11:09:05 PDT 2002

28939 Alterman on Chomsky -- rank: 1000

Bradford DeLong wrote: >>Well, see, I really don't buy the point you're making here, which is >>apparently that such economic experiments were unmitigated disasters (well, >>North Korea certainly is, but it's in a class by itself). This seems to >>presuppose that there is A style of life which appeals to everybody, across >>cultures. Whether you prefer Brezhnev-style socialism or US-style capitalism >>is going to depend to a great extent on which you find pref ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 19 10:52:32 PDT 2002

28940 Alterman on Chomsky -- rank: 1000

Bradford DeLong wrote: >There's something going on here. It may well be just Chomsky >thinking, "Look. These holocaust deniers are being oppressed by the >Establishment. They are the underdogs. They need my help--even if I >have to shade the truth to give it." It may be some form of >insanity--a failure to understand the rules of how to communicate >using English, and of what words mean. It may be something else. It may be? Anyone who's read the guy, listened to him, ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 19 10:50:15 PDT 2002

28941 lbo-talk-digest V1 #6338 -- rank: 1000

Jeffrey Fisher wrote: >On Wednesday, June 19, 2002, at 09:41 AM, Bradford DeLong wrote: > >>> >>>there may be some relative truth to be found in these matters, but when >>>it comes to some areas, like holocaust denial, communist genocide, etc, >>>there is little hope for clear thinking and only various and sundry >>>forms of bigotry and narrow mindedness that is far more religious and >>>superstitious than scientific... >> >&g ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 19 10:44:47 PDT 2002

28942 FW: The anti-imperialism of fools -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >That is contemptible too. That is why I have no sympathy for either >side in this clash of two fundamentalisms. However, if this list >were rabidly pro-Israeli government, I would be bitching about >bulldozing the homes rather than blowing up the buses. But no one here is "rabidly" pro-bus-blowing. So why the bitching directed against a position you've invented for us, not one that's been stated? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 19 09:16:47 PDT 2002

28943 Alterman on Chomsky -- rank: 1000

Chip Berlet wrote: >Chomsky apparently knew only one side of Serge Thion. And it is clear that >Thion abused the relationship, a fact that Chomsky stubbornly refuses to >address. All this touches on Chomsky's bias against theory. To him, ideas and arguments stand on their own merits. How they are received, the uses to which they are put, the ideological contexts they circulate in - things like that don't really interest him. And because some creepy people appropriate, even publish, his ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 19 06:59:16 PDT 2002

28944 WTO after Doha -- rank: 1000

Financial Times - June 19, 2002 COMMENT & ANALYSIS: Stalled in Geneva By Guy de Jonquieres and Frances Williams Less than eight months after ministers agreed at the World Trade Organisation's meeting in Doha, Qatar, to set aside their differences and launch a global trade liberalisation round, the project is in danger of losing steam. After a hesitant start, intensive talks at the WTO's Geneva headquarters on detailed groundwork for negotiations have made little progress since late April. Th ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 19 06:40:24 PDT 2002

28945 Alterman on Chomsky -- rank: 1000

C. G. Estabrook wrote: >I would e.g. be suspicious of the motives of soi-disant leftists who use a >ridiculous "soft on naziism" charge against people like Chomsky (or >Cockburn) I've never seen Chomsky display any sympathies for the bestiary Cockburn has praised - Larry Pratt, Ron Paul. Can't imagine it either. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jun 18 16:34:42 PDT 2002

28946 World Cup misinformation... -- rank: 1000

O. Hatteras wrote: >In the interest in restoring LBO-talk's credibilty >amongst football fans, I'd like to offer three >corrections to the World Cup discussion. This isn't the renowned Baffler author, Owen Hatteras, is it? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jun 18 14:54:24 PDT 2002

28947 punditry update -- rank: 1000

At 4:22 PM -0500 6/18/02, FAIR wrote: >UPDATE: >Jeff Cohen Leaves FAIR Board, Joins MSNBC > >FAIR founder Jeff Cohen has been hired by MSNBC, and is stepping down from >FAIR's board of directors. > >Cohen founded FAIR in 1986, and served as the group's executive director. >In recent years, he has been an advisor to the group rather than a staff >member, as he pursued a career as a media commentator. In May 2001, he >became president of FAIR's board of directors. > ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jun 18 14:32:47 PDT 2002

28948 FW: The anti-imperialism of fools -- rank: 1000

Randy Steindorf wrote: >As Rose Luxembourg said a hundred years ago, the decisive principle in party >building is between reform or revolution. It still remains the same today. Hmm, well neither reform nor revolution is doing very well right now. And I don't think that citing the eternal verities is going to reverse that. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jun 18 14:02:14 PDT 2002

28949 Fwd: A Proposal To Labor -- rank: 1000

[any thoughts on this?] Dear EmailNation Subscriber, Only 9 percent of private-sector American workers currently belong to unions -- a smaller share than when John Sweeney's "new voices" leadership team took over the AFL-CIO seven years ago, and lower even than a century ago.Ý The failure to grow membership is not just labor's fault, and certainly does not reflect the views of US workers, millions of whom desire representation at work. American unions operate under a uniquely unfavorab ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jun 18 13:56:48 PDT 2002

28950 FW: The anti-imperialism of fools -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >Another point - I think that much of the support for the >"Palestinian cause" in this country is a knee-jerk reaction to >support the perceived "underdog" against the perceived "evil empire" >without real understanding of the situation. We had the same >phenomenon with the Dalai Lama and China - in both cases the notion >of evil empire coincides with popular prejudices (anticommunism, >antisemitism, anti-government sen ...

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Date:	Tue Jun 18 12:13:49 PDT 2002