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27676 Anniversary -- rank: 1000

Peter K. wrote: >Oh and he drinks a lot too! How many times have I read the Puritanical, >blue-nosed prudes of the left and right report that? > >I've seen and heard much worse abuse and insults directed at him from >the left lately, so I don't see why it's a surprise he doesn't want to go on >your show at the moment. Maybe he thinks you're going to ask him why, in your >mind, he's so infatuated with "that idiot" Roiphe and other wife-beating >questions? I don't ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Sep 15 13:37:54 PDT 2002

27677 Anniversary -- rank: 1000

Peter K. quoted Hitch: >America is the greatest of all subjects for a writer, in the first >place because of its infinite >space and depth and variety, and also because it is ultimately >founded upon an idea. It's rather sad to see someone of his talent descend into this kind of cliche. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Sep 15 12:45:20 PDT 2002

27678 Walzer on the "4 Wars of..." -- rank: 1000

Luke Weiger wrote: > > Does he mention five (the one proffered by Joel Schalit) - the war >> Israel fights to maintain national identity and avoid facing the >> fractures within Israeli soceity? >> >> Doug > >I don't believe so. Is this something I should read up on? Check out Joel's fine book of essays, Jerusalem Calling, from Akashic Books. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Sep 15 12:42:10 PDT 2002

27679 Anniversary -- rank: 1000

Liza Featherstone wrote: >Why NOT point out where the left agrees with the majority, whenever possible >- it makes our minority positions less alien and more persuasive. I don't doubt that people are driven away from the left because of the inability of so many of us to say that it's barbaric to blow up cafes or drive airplanes into buildings. It takes a special kind of rigid moralism and self-censorship, and a ruthless ability to repress normal human sympathy to qualify. Doug

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Date:	Sun Sep 15 12:15:07 PDT 2002

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Doug Henwood wrote: >Peter K. wrote: > >>During the Vietnam war, you'll remember, the popular anti-war >>movement actually accomplished things. I don't seem to recall that >>people would say stuff like "I wish the US would stop acting like a >>bully, but I would cheer if they killed Ho Chi Minh." > >No doubt there was a lot of uncritical cheering of the Vietcong in >the 1960s, but still there was something to admire in what they >stood for - an ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 15 10:59:43 PDT 2002

27681 Anniversary -- rank: 1000

Peter K. wrote: >During the Vietnam war, you'll remember, the popular anti-war >movement actually accomplished things. I don't seem to recall that >people would say stuff like "I wish the US would stop acting like a >bully, but I would cheer if they killed Ho Chi Minh." No doubt there was a lot of uncritical cheering of the Vietcong in the 1960s, but still there was something to admire in what they stood for - and when Eugene Genovese famously said he'd welcome a VC victory ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Sep 15 10:38:14 PDT 2002

27682 Anniversary -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >This kind of irrelevancy seems particularly grounded in the experience >of teachers and of journalists (perhaps also of sports fans). More >deeply, it is grounded in the total separation of production and >consumption, and the radical individuation that this generates. What >counts is which side one cheers for, not which activity one engages in. >The spectator view of politics and war, or the ultimate trivialization >of "Which side are you on?" A ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Sep 15 10:11:58 PDT 2002

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Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >In practical terms, what matters today whether or not you cheer >Osama's death or AQ's demise? It won't be you who will be >responsible for either when it comes. In practical terms, what matters today whether or not you cheer the victory of the proletariat or the demise of U.S. imperialism? It won't be you who will be responsible for either when it comes. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Sep 15 10:05:12 PDT 2002

27684 why we are so weak -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >Opposition to Saddam (for a U.S. citizen) is a merely symbolic gesture, >having no material content. And such gestures (as I argued as far back >as the U.S. invasion of Yugoslavia) are essentially in bad faith, >whether those making them realize it or not. At 1:41 PM -0500 9/13/02, Carrol Cox wrote: >It must be such a warm and fuzzy feeling to sit above the dust and heat, >impartially judging humanity on left and right from one's superior view >of the plai ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Sep 15 09:35:17 PDT 2002

27685 Afghan war dead -- rank: 1000

Charles Jannuzi wrote: >You kid yourself. Imagine if all 4 planes had hit >the Pentagon and CIA. Then Petieboy, you'd have >seen some real vengeance. Your smartypants tone is out of proportion to your wisdom. Cool it. Doug

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Date:	Sun Sep 15 09:31:53 PDT 2002

27686 Walzer on the "4 Wars of..." -- rank: 1000

Luke Weiger wrote: >The Four Wars of Israel/Palestine > >Michael Walzer > >The great simplifiers are hard at work, but Israel/Palestine has never been >a friendly environment for them, and it is especially unfriendly today. They >are bound to get it wrong, morally and politically, and that is a very bad >thing to do, for the stakes are high. There isn't one war going on in the >Middle East, and there isn't a single opposition of right and wrong, just >and unjust. Fo ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Sep 14 19:08:50 PDT 2002

27687 new stuff in radio archive -- rank: 1000

I've just posted three new shows to my radio archive - <http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio.html>. The shows are: September 12, 2002 Mohau Pheko looks back at the World Summit for Sustainable Development and forward with the movement that was energized by protesting it * two pundits from the hyperestablishment Council on Foreign Relations, Rachel Bronson and David Phillips, sing intellectual backup to Bush's war beat September 5, 2002 political economist Sungur Savran reports from In ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Sep 14 14:11:02 PDT 2002

27688 The 7 principles of Neoimperialism -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >Much worse. There was something self-parodying about the >thinking-the-unthinkable school; in retrospect, Herman Kahn seems >more a performance artist than a theoretician -- comic relief >compared to those two Council on Foreign Relations policy bots you >interviewed the other day. While the US was very willing to use >force in the past, it was just a bit embarrassed about it -- e.g., >steadily frittering its power away in endless failed escalations in ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Sep 14 13:06:53 PDT 2002

27689 Cooper on the anniversary -- rank: 1000

Charles Jannuzi wrote: >I think I've wet myself. Do tell. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Sep 14 09:55:26 PDT 2002

27690 The 7 principles of Neoimperialism -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >Awesome. This excerpt constitutes a 2553-word definition of >"hubris." I believe the nation's current state of dementia exceeds >that of any other time in US history, which is saying something. Really? Worse than the Cold War? Worse than when Herman Kahn was thinking the unthinkable? Worse than the Reagan years, when they talked openly about winnable nuclear wars? Doug

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Date:	Sat Sep 14 09:53:16 PDT 2002