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27436 [lbo-talk] tank blasts journos' hotel -- rank: 1000

[if they're doing this to journalists, what are they doing to ordinary Iraqis?] Reuters Journalist Killed in Baghdad Hotel Blast 1 hour, 57 minutes ago BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A Reuters journalist was killed and three were wounded in Baghdad on Tuesday when a U.S. tank fired a shell at the media hotel where they were working. A Spanish journalist was also wounded. Reuters cameraman Taras Protsyuk, 35, a Ukrainian national based in Warsaw, died after the blast at the Palestine Hotel, base for much of ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Apr 8 07:12:50 PDT 2003

27437 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >That kind of national sovereignty argument is just Bull Connor/Pat Buchanan >states rights rhetoric taken to the global level as its logical end point. Oh yeah, I forgot to say - your insistence on this as a precedent is pretty weird. The Southern states are part of the U.S., ultimately under the authority of the federal government. They lost a Civil War fought over these sort of issues. Iraq and Yugoslavia are not part of the U.S., nor were the wars against them auth ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 07:05:44 PDT 2003

27438 [lbo-talk] Bacon's estate -- rank: 1000

[don't know where this is from but it seems reputable] An Artful Passing A bartender's death in a Thai beach resort leaves the legacy of one of Britain's greatest artists up for grabs BY ROBERT HORN/PATTAYA When John Edwards succumbed to lung cancer two weeks ago at the age of 53, his acquaintances in the sleazy Thai beach resort of Pattaya remembered him fondly. "John Edwards was down to earth, genuine and loyal to his friends," says Ian Read, owner of Le Caf Royale, a piano bar in a ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 7 17:06:37 PDT 2003

27439 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Urgent: Call the Mayor's Office Right Now - Hold OPD Accountable for Attacking Antiwar Protesters -- rank: 1000

X-From_: ilcinfo at earthlink.net Mon Apr 7 18:22:09 2003 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:12:54 -0700 To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; From: ILC <ilcinfo at earthlink.net> Subject: Urgent: Call the Mayor's Office Right Now - Hold OPD Accountable for Attacking Antiwar Protesters Monday, April 7 -- 2 p.m. I was called by the Labor Committee for Peace and Justice, saying there will be a press conference at 2:30 in the afternoon. They are looking for labor people in particular who may have witness ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 15:29:25 PDT 2003

27440 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >But the idea that we should have no opinion and do no organizing to support >those who resist oppression is repugnant to my idea of global solidarity. >That kind of national sovereignty argument is just Bull Connor/Pat Buchanan >states rights rhetoric taken to the global level as its logical end point. > >There is absolutely nothing wrong with humanitarian interventionism in >principle-- the left has believed in it for centuries. When conducted by the 1 ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 15:22:46 PDT 2003

27441 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >Doug, what percentage of people on this list would you say >contribute something towards paying the bills for lbo-talk? Well, fortunately, Jordan contributed server space so there are no more bills, unless he changes his mind. But I'd say about 10 people have contributed out of some 330 subscribers (about 3%, in other words). Of those 10, most have contributed several times. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 14:47:32 PDT 2003

27442 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >The Heritage Foundation, Cato, and other conservative thinks tanks >don't have Rupert Murdoch's cash ...no, they just have cash from right-wing foundations, CEOs (FedEx's Fred Smith is on the Cato board), and hedge fund hotshots. Cato's annual revenues are like $13 million. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 14:31:39 PDT 2003

27443 [lbo-talk] Chemical Weapons found -- rank: 1000

loupaulsen at attbi.com wrote: >There was a poll-based article today - in the Washington Post? NY Times? does >anyone else have the link? to the effect that most in the US now say they >would approve of the war even if the WMDs were shown not to exist. appeared here yesterday: <http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/2003-April/000444.html>. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 14:21:50 PDT 2003

27444 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: > > The silence of the anti-war left on Saddam Hussein has been exploited by >> the Bush adminstration and the pro-war chickenhawks against our very >> existence as the anti-war movement. >> >> Chuck0 > >I wouldn't say there was or is silence. Go to ZNet and you'll find plenty of >denunciations of Saddam, for instance. And I got 'em from just about everyone I've interviewed on the radio, including Noam Chomsky and Tariq Ali. Nathan ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 14:13:21 PDT 2003

27445 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >I find that while a lot of folks don't have all the information I wish they >could have, they are far smarter and sophisticated than the left gives them >credit for. Which explains a lot of the left's bouts of anti-populist >despair and simplistic sloganeering and repugnant coalitions, as if the >masses are too stupid to question such alliances. Yeah, I loved the Saddam t-shirt that Susan Sarandon wore at the Oscars. Really conveyed a powerful message. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 14:12:25 PDT 2003

27446 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >What's so hard to understand? The war involves fighting a brutal regime >that abuses its own people and has a history of invading neighbors. The American public also believes that Iraq was behind 9/11. In fact, the Bush admin has offered many reasons for the war. The offical reason was to pre-empt attacks on us, which is as bogus as the 9/11 reason. And why didn't this apply to the Vietnam War? The official reason was to repel an invasion and to fight the worldwide C ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 14:09:06 PDT 2003

27447 [lbo-talk] on lawyers (was Re: war propaganda) -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: >Well, what I do for a living is defend corporations, mainaly against >each other. But that doesn't make me liar or a purvetor of shady >artguments, to keep the discussion on point. It's got nothing to do with you personally at all. You're clearly a person of excellent character and politics. The same is true of many ad people and investment bankers. It's the social function of the occupation, apart from the individuals who perform it, that's the issue. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 14:01:49 PDT 2003

27448 [lbo-talk] when in doubt, plagiarize! -- rank: 1000

<http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,58346,00.html> Wired news - 02:00 AM Apr. 07, 2003 PT Like any number of webloggers trying to make their mark with commentary on the war in Iraq, Sean-Paul Kelley knew geography and career experience didn't favor him. Kelley -- the man behind the wildly popular site The Agonist -- lives in Texas, worlds away from the war's front lines. And his reporting résumé added up to a mere three weeks at a local paper. Still, for the last few weeks, he had m ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 13:53:04 PDT 2003

27449 [lbo-talk] Chemical Weapons found -- rank: 1000

Brian O. Sheppard wrote: >There's something fascinating about a country that could invade another, >then scour the debris for "evidence" to make the invasion justified in >retrospect, isn't there? Yup. That might make a difference abroad, but the credulous 70% of Americans will probably swallow it whole. As you can see, my former optimism about public opinion is decaying rapidly. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 13:48:48 PDT 2003

27450 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >Could it be that we are better at bitching about the media than we >are at taking it over like the right wing has done? I think lefties complain too much about how the big media suck, and should spend more time cultivating our own media. But still, it's not like we've got Rupert Murdoch's cash and credit lines. How can "we" take over the media? Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 7 13:34:08 PDT 2003