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27421 Arguments and alternatives (was:Re: [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

loupaulsen at attbi.com wrote: >You really trivialize the whole thing when you claim that it's all because >anti-war rallies were led by buddies of Saddam like the WWP, who of course are >not buddies of Saddam. And Saddam would have hanged you. Or maybe shot you. Doug

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 14:10:33 PDT 2003

27422 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >It's kind of amazing the assumption that speeches at rallies should be >forgettable. From union rallies to civil rights rallies, some of the most >memorable rhetoric in history, that the media picked up and played over and >over again, came from speeches at podiums at such rallies. Well there was MLK's "I have a dream," for sure, but how many orators like that do we have? What else do you have in mind? Almost everything I've ever heard at rallies has ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 14:04:55 PDT 2003

27423 [lbo-talk] debunking a myth -- rank: 1000

Ian Murray wrote: >CEPA and the Economics Department of New School University host: A conference subsidized by Bernard Schwartz, CEO of Loral, the big arms contractor (and friend of Bill and China <http://www.fas.org/news/china/1998/h980618-prc9.htm>). Doug

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 13:53:03 PDT 2003

27424 [lbo-talk] Where's the African-American antiwar movement? -- rank: 1000

Alan Jacobson wrote: >P.S. Why are we doing post-mortems on the antiwar >movement anyway? Isn't the occupation going to raise >huge contradictions that we can use to organize around? Not only that - it's a 50-year war! They've only begun to fight. The excellent Bill Fletcher makes this point in an interview I'm about to post to my radio archive. Doug

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27425 [lbo-talk] French reports on Palestine Hotel attack -- rank: 1000

Steven wrote: >Hotel hit 'deliberate': French TV Well, you know, they're *French*. I was on the treadmill at the gym this morning watching a muted CNN. (It was much more pleasant to listen to some old Sebadoh - "cliche cliche" - than to the CNN spokesmodels.) The headlines on the screen gave the official line: the journalists were "caught in the crossfire," it was a "tragedy," and the journalists died "of wounds received in blast at hotel." Then they tu ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 13:40:02 PDT 2003

27426 [lbo-talk] dialogue -- rank: 1000

This is from Laura Miller's piece in Salon about The Daily Show <http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/2003/04/08/stewart/index.html>: >After the war started, Stewart had the following conversations with >Colbert, who was wearing his "senior media analyst" hat: > >Stewart: What should the media's role be in covering the war? > >Colbert: Very simply, the media's role should be the accurate and >objective description of the hellacious ass-whomping we're handing & ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 13:16:02 PDT 2003

27427 [lbo-talk] Michael Moore writes... -- rank: 1000

My Oscar "Backlash": "Stupid White Men" Back At #1, "Bowling" Breaks New Records April 7, 2003 Dear friends, It appears that the Bush administration will have succeeded in colonizing Iraq sometime in the next few days. This is a blunder of such magnitude -- and we will pay for it for years to come. It was not worth the life of one single American kid in uniform, let alone the thousands of Iraqis who have died, and my condolences and prayers go out to all of them. So ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 12:58:55 PDT 2003

27428 [lbo-talk] WBAI's ambitions -- rank: 1000

[Don Rojas is the new general manager of WBAI, the station I do my show on. He's a smart guy with good politics (in an earlier life, he was Maurice Bishop's press secretary), and the station seems alive again after years of tension and torpor. He's got ambitions!] Dear Members of the WBAI Family, I am pleased to announce the launch of a comprehensive, ongoing campaign towards the goal of expanding our listenership to one million and our membership to 100,000 by the end of 2004 and I invite you a ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 12:52:21 PDT 2003

27429 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Bits and pieces of this response were scattered across antiwar analysis, but >it was marginal to the simplistic "no war" legalisms and "unity" rhetoric >with forces that excluded such analysis. Speeches at rallies I went to were >preaching to the converted, not speaking to those less convinced of Bush's >complete perfidy and for whom an actual argument was necessary. A few on >February 15th in New York attempted this, but they were su ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 12:35:18 PDT 2003

27430 [lbo-talk] Prof Azm on the war -- rank: 1000

Financial Times - April 8, 2003 WAR IN IRAQ AFTER THE CONFLICT: Washington victory will be Pyrrhic, Syrian professor argues By Kim Ghattas The US will win the war in Iraq but in terms of its consequences for the Arab world it may have already lost the peace, argues Sadeq el Azm, a well-known Syrian intellectual. Sitting in his book-lined study in Damascus, Mr Azm asserts: "The American military victory in Iraq is going to be Pyrrhic." The more difficult it proves for the US to govern ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 12:32:58 PDT 2003

27431 [lbo-talk] Sniped!! :-( -- rank: 1000

loupaulsen at attbi.com wrote: > > The "national security council" is an interesting slip It's a beaut, isn't it? I'm waiting for Yoshie and Carrol to drop all their objections to psychoanalysis now. Doug

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27432 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "H. Curtiss Leung" <hncl at panix.com> >> In practice and in message, there was little or no message by the antiwar >> movement on how they were acting in solidarity with the oppressed folks >> within Iraq. >> >> And that was the fatal flaw of antiwar organizing. > >-That's pure conjecture, and a pretty dubious one at that. Given that some >-depressingly high percentage of ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 10:03:47 PDT 2003

27433 [lbo-talk] Jihad vs. the Abraham Lincoln Brigade Re Iraq war.... -- rank: 1000

Brian O. Sheppard wrote: >What would a modern-day Abraham Lincoln Brigade have done in Iraq? What >could one do *anywhere* in the world, in our era? Ask Nathan. He thinks there's something "we" could do. Doug

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27434 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >And Iraq is ultimately under the authority of the United Nations Charter and >national security council. You oddly reflect the Americanist assumption >that "national sovereignty" is fully preserved despite a nation signing the >United Nations treaty. Neither this war nor the one on Yugoslavia was approved by the SC, was it? The "national security council" is an interesting slip - surely you don't mean the similarly named agency of the U.S. g ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 09:48:55 PDT 2003

27435 [lbo-talk] Iraq war "clearer" to Americans than WW 2 -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Yet this started when folks like Doug and Carroll said they should have no >opinion on which regime was in power in Iraq or have an alternative plan on >how to support those seeking to overthrow Hussein. I never said I had no opinion on who's in power in Iraq. I've said it's not the business of the U.S. government. >No I don't. I said specifically that the left should advocate a non-violent >alternative to imperialist attack as the better way to support that ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 8 09:23:02 PDT 2003