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26566 The Lerner Affair -- rank: 1000

LouPaulsen wrote: > > The point is to stop the war, not aggrandize ANSWER. > >The point is to stop the war, not split the movement. Yup. I couldn't sign that statement because even though I thought Lerner should be allowed to speak - despite his annoying piety and self-promotion - but I though the organizers of that petition were really looking for a club to bash ANSWER with. I'm not a member of the ANSWER fan club by any means, but I thought this was the wrong fight to have at the ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 12 06:41:27 PST 2003

26567 Direct Action at the Holland Tunnel RIGHT NOW! -- rank: 1000

Not only is the "principle" inspiring, so is the omniscience. "Objectively provocateurs." Not as incendiary as calling someone a liar, but still obnoxious and ugly. Doug Kelley wrote: >this is principled discourse, right? > >> But Chuck0 and others like him, who are objectively provocateurs >>though they don't intend to be, raise a tactic to a matter of principle. >>He is right this time in the proverbial way in which a stopped clock is >>right ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 12 06:31:46 PST 2003

26568 AMERICA ORDERS 100,000 BODY BAGS - The Mirror -- rank: 1000

Mark Pavlick wrote: > Doug, the original article reads as an leak from a US air >base in Sicily, not a State Department press handout. Are we missing >something? - Mark And how and why do air bases leak such info? Like I said, I remember the body bag story from the last Gulf War, and it turned out to be a plant. I just don't trust this. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 12 06:17:02 PST 2003

26569 AMERICA ORDERS 100,000 BODY BAGS - The Mirror -- rank: 1000

didn't they try this one last time and wasn't it bullshit?

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 18:50:57 PST 2003

26570 Arms inspectors vote on BBC -- rank: 1000

Chuck Grimes wrote: >The only thing I can figure out is the national poll sampling >techniques must be mirroring the political demographics that privilege >the more conservative Southern and Midwestern states and suburban >populations over the dense urban and more liberal coastal >populations. All the polls really seem to reveal is the same political >division of the 2000 election results. Not at all. Pollsters use standard Census weightings. Many, maybe even most, would do the ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 18:55:08 PST 2003

26571 OBL: Saddam a socialist infidel -- rank: 1000

[gotta love Reuters sometimes: "But the statement did not express support for Saddam." What U.S. outlet would flatly contradict the USG?] Top Stories - Reuters Bin Laden Labels Saddam an Infidel - Jazeera TV 1 hour, 48 minutes ago By Samia Nakhoul DUBAI (Reuters) - A taped message believed to be from fugitive militant Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) on Tuesday warned Arab nations against supporting a war against Iraq as threatened by the United States -- but branded Saddam Hussein ( ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 18:12:18 PST 2003

26572 more public opinion -- rank: 1000

[via the infoshop-news list] <http://dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=50247&group=webcast> At the Town Hall Meeting with Pentagon Spokesdrones by DC IMC 1:36am Tue Feb 11 '03 (Modified on 3:10pm Tue Feb 11 '03) Breaking News on Town Hall Meeting with Congressman Moran and 2 Pentagon spokespeople. 7:40pm Minnie Howard School, Alexandria, VA: Town Hall Meeting, "Terrorism and the Possible Conflict in Iraq" called by Congressman Jim Moran, with Pentagon spokespersons Assis ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 17:51:41 PST 2003

26573 Direct Action at the Holland Tunnel RIGHT NOW! -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >Looking at pictures from today's protest, it looks to me like they >took care to create their blockade at a point that prevented entry >into the tunnel It was a little odd that they blocked the outbound tunnel route in the morning, unless they had some info that reverse commuters are particularly prowar. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 17:40:14 PST 2003

26574 Arms inspectors vote on BBC -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >I would simply cite the Washingon Post poll results I mentioned in >my last post: Not only do a majority of Americans support starting >a war that's not sanctioned by the UN, but a majority of those who >oppose starting such a war are wavering and may ultimately favor >such action. It's painful being on the same planet as these people, >let alone the same nation. But actual people one talks to aren't saying the same thing as the polls. Something odd is goi ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 14:12:21 PST 2003

26575 Judge Denies March Permit, Feb15 Protest Goes On -- rank: 1000

Chuck Grimes wrote: >Wall? What kind of wall? Concrete, brick, chain link? Maybe its time >to `take back the park' as they used to say around here. Concrete & cops. >So, what is your estimate of the likely turn out in NYC this weekend? >You're not seriously expecting the lack of a permit to stop it are >you? I think it's going to be big. All kinds of people - not just the usual suspects - say they're going. A friend was leafleting in Chelsea - a fairly upscale, though socially ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 13:57:41 PST 2003

26576 Miscellenous Stuff -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: >Hofstadter has a classic study of anti-intellectualism in American >life. As a rough approximation, I'd describe it, in this country, as >a resentful contempt, tinged with homophobia, for any sort on >intellectual or academic interest or attainment that is not more or >less immediately translatable into a substantial remuneration. There's a left version of this that is contemptuous of analysis that doesn't lead immediately to action! Action! I was once ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 13:42:34 PST 2003

26577 Arms inspectors vote on BBC -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >That's easy. Because Americans' intellectual laziness and morally >disgusting attitudes merit a good polemical hit in the head. You're American. I'm American. Many of the esteemed posters to this list are too. Why take Bush's view of The Real America to be accurate and just put a negative sign in front of it? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 13:36:46 PST 2003

26578 Arms inspectors vote on BBC -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: >Most of my relatives, who are quite conservative, have tremendous >apprehension about Bush's war. And I've no doubt this is true throughout the >country. Indeed, I get no sense of "bloodlust" coming from the heartland, >but you do see it among educated elites and their media outlets. Nope, me either. Not even on Wall Street, for heaven's sake. I don't get the poll numbers, unless people are feeling forced to say the loyal patriotic thing, but don't vol ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 13:32:03 PST 2003

26579 Arms inspectors vote on BBC -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >That does not surprise me at all. Most US-ers are ignorant and arogant >buffoons who will use every opportunity to show their superiority by >"kicking butt." They love Bush an cannot wait for his invasion of Iraq, >so they vicariously participate in this "butt kicking" and then feel >superior about themselves. How many Americans do you talk to regularly? Sure this describes some of them, but there are a lot who don't match this descr ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 13:20:25 PST 2003

26580 Judge Denies March Permit, Feb15 Protest Goes On -- rank: 1000

Michael Pollak wrote: >[It's funny how many people who would never think of challenging the >police at a permitted rally, never mind throwing a brick, get fired up >about the idea when the march has been made illegal. If there's one thing >that Americans across the spectrum can get self-righteous about, it's >their first amendment rights.] When Rudy walled off City Hall Park, formerly a site of frequent protests, there was hardly a peep. And I used to think NYC was irrepressible. ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 11 12:56:44 PST 2003