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26131 consumer comfort plunges -- rank: 1000

[This ABC/Money survey is less famous than the Conference Board's consumer confidence or the University of Michigan's consumer sentiment monthly surveys, partly because it's only been around for about 10 years, compared to over 30 for the CB's and over 50 for Michigan's. But this is a weekly number, and its moves are usually confirmed by its better-known cousins. The link between confidence and spending isn't always perfect, but this is not good news for the U.S. economy. Since part of this down ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jan 22 06:45:52 PST 2003

26132 Great News From David Horowitz -- rank: 1000

Thomas Seay wrote: >The question that has to be on WWP's mind is how to >bring more people into the direct orbit of WWP. If they were trying to do that in DC they did a miserable fucking job of it. They were nowhere in evidence as WWP. So how do they accomplish this sinister mission? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 17:20:11 PST 2003

26133 post count -- rank: 1000

Here are the average number of postings per day for all listmembers with an average of >1 between 1/11/02 and 1/20/02: Michael Pugliese 6.4 Yoshie Furuhashi 6.2 andie nachgeborenen 4.2 Carrol Cox 4.0 ChrisD(RJ) 3.9 mandated limit 3.0 Thomas Seay 2.8 Ulhas Joglekar 2.6 Wojtek Sokolowski 2.6 Catherine Driscoll 2.5 Marta Russell 2.4 Brian O. Sheppa ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 15:10:52 PST 2003

26134 new DC estimate -- rank: 1000

[from Chuck0's infoshop list] http://dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=46658&group=webcast New Crowd Size Estimate Tops 377K by steelgame 5:03pm Sun Jan 19 '03 (Modified on 4:05am Tue Jan 21 '03) steelgame at yahoo.com New crowd estimate tops 377K. Methodology included. Last night I posted http://dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=46490&group=webcast with a formula and methodology for making an estimate of the Saturday crowd size--nobody else has published a methodology. With my ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 14:38:00 PST 2003

26135 subject change -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox just wrote: >The person you are quoting is an extraordinary naif, a fool, or a >fucking provocateur. Three days ago, Carrol Cox wrote: >I don't know if they all have the same level of gentle >sophistication as exhibited in the parts quoted by Justin, but if they >do and you're keeping him on the list, I suggest you owe an apology to >David Schanoes and an invitation to return to the list. Given your typical level of "gentle sophistication," do you ever wond ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 14:36:12 PST 2003

26136 Volunteer "human shields" to head for Iraq -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >that "good ol boy" likability is about all he has going as an >asset right now but he's a mean prick - there's no GOB likeability about him at all, unlike Clinton

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 14:12:17 PST 2003

26137 Germany: no war -- rank: 1000

Schroeder says Germany will not vote for Iraq war BERLIN (Reuters) - Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder says Germany will not support a U.N. resolution in favour of war against Iraq, his clearest signal yet of how Germany will act in any Security Council vote on military action. "Do not expect that Germany will agree to a resolution that legitimises war," Schroeder told a state election rally in the western town of Goslar on Tuesday. Schroeder has maintained the popular anti-war line that he ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 14:10:22 PST 2003

26138 evil iraq -- rank: 1000

Jeffrey Fisher wrote: >iirc, the last time a crowd of kurds tried to "topple saddam", bush >pere sat back and watched while they got their asses kicked. but >maybe i misremember . The conclusion of a piece by Tim Wiener in the NYT, September 11 (!), 1996 >In January 1991, as the Persian Gulf War began, the CIA began aiming >propaganda at the Kurds in Iraq. The Kurds listened to Bush's call to >"force Saddam Hussein the dictator to step aside." And they were ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 12:31:25 PST 2003

26139 evil iraq -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: >If ANSWER's losing its grip on organizing, three cheers. Not long ago I was >reading here and elsewhere that, yes, ANSWER sucks but they are great >organizers, the ones doing all the dirty work, so let's go along for the >sake of stopping the war, despite what we may personally think. Now you tell >me that ANSWER's not all that important. They picked a date, got a permit, and hired some buses. Their ideological influence is close to zero. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 12:28:09 PST 2003

26140 Volunteer "human shields" to head for Iraq -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: >would they do this if the US/UK weren't launching an attack, and, >say, the Kurds or the Shias were? If not, why not? Because the U.S. and UK are the principal military enforcers of imperialism, and because they're our governments. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 12:27:32 PST 2003

26141 subject change (was Re:lbo-talk-digest V1 #7260 -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: >They're obviously nervous about a wide-scale US war that could lead to their >downfall. By all reports, there's considerable popular anxiety and outrage across the region. It's not just the despots who rule places like Saudi Arabia. Quoting from the Reuters story on the human shields: >PROPAGANDA ACCUSATIONS > >"We the People" organizers said the self-financing human shield >volunteers had come forward from a range of Western nations >includin ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 12:26:05 PST 2003

26142 Bayard Rustin documentary -- rank: 1000

Reed Tryte wrote: >Also, who wouldn't want to be a part of a movement >that included people as compelling as Rustin? He was >one admirable freakazoid. I happened to watch the first moon landing with Rustin. One of my best friends from high school was the son of Paul Hall, the long-time president of the Seafarers International Union, which was an anti-communist union founded as a counter to the reddish National Martime Union. Hall was friendly with a lot of the Cold Warrior hawkish Dems ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 12:22:16 PST 2003

26143 cyberorganizing -- rank: 1000

[Further proof that the movement is far larger than ANSWER.] <http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,57310,00.html> Internet Stokes Anti-War Movement By Leander Kahney 02:00 AM Jan. 21, 2003 PT This weekend's anti-war protests were the first mass demonstrations in memory to occur before a conflict, a testimony to the organizing power of the Internet, observers say. While the Vietnam-era anti-war movement took years to gather momentum, hundreds of thousands of protestors turned out in doz ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 11:48:54 PST 2003

26144 evil iraq -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: >When the leaders of the main "antiwar" organizing group fly >to Baghdad to shake hands with the murderers of Iraqi civilians, what does >that tell you? The only reason I can think of that you keep harping on this is to discredit the antiwar movement, which as you should know is far far larger than ANSWER. You say you're not behind the Bush admin's plans, but you're sounding more & more like it. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 11:45:38 PST 2003

26145 Volunteer "human shields" to head for Iraq -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: >I'm not. And despite what these prospective human shields say, they are >indeed putting their bodies on the line to protect a murderous and >imperialist thug. Put it this way: If the Kurds were planning to launch a >military offensive against Saddam, one that would undoubtedly result in >civilian casualties, would these same people put themselves on the line? Or >are they doing this because their respective governments are launching the >attack? If that ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jan 21 11:43:34 PST 2003