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25831 [lbo-talk] Bring Them Home Now: Leaflets & Website (from Stan Goff) -- rank: 1000

Brian Siano wrote: >I don't think it's a matter of simple isolationism; after all, the >Left hasn't re-appraised the Abraham Lincoln Brigades as a bad >thing, so I don't think that's the guiding principle her There aren't that many good guys to fight for. (Not that I'd sign up - I'm a coward.) Who'd fight on the side of Saddam or Milosevic or Taylor? Doug

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 16:53:51 PDT 2003

25832 [lbo-talk] Bring Them Home Now: Leaflets & Website (from Stan Goff) -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >We had no idea before either because Saddam Hussein was brutalizing them. So you think it's ok for the U.S. to invade countries to "liberate" them? >And the failure of the Left to have a program for bringing democracy and a >voice to the people of Iraq (and Afghanistan and Kosovo and etc.) without >use of those B-52s is why it lacks the moral authority to stop any of these >wars. So, as the shrinks say, what's your idea about that? A new Abraham Lin ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 16:08:17 PDT 2003

25833 [lbo-talk] Re: Law Student With a History of Taking Left Turns -- rank: 1000

Brian Siano wrote: >Oh, it has lots of continuing relevance. This way, when newcomers or >young'uns come in, the older cranks can denounce them as revanchists >or Schactmanites or bourgeous adventurists or neo-liberals or >running dog lackeys. Then the newcomers have to go off and research >things like the Ludlow Massacre and the Kronstadt Uprising and >analyze them unto the fifth decimal place so they can place >themselves in a very specific and particular sect. Then they c ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 15:31:15 PDT 2003

25834 [lbo-talk] Re: Law Student With a History of Taking Left Turns -- rank: 1000

Brad DeLong wrote: > At Berkeley we have this strange idea that peasant-farmers are people Does that extend to other UCal campuses, e.g., Davis? Doug

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 15:29:03 PDT 2003

25835 [lbo-talk] Credibility Canyon -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >It's quite evident right now, just by reading the American corporate >press, that the Bush administration is in a serious crisis ...and it's not just Bush: even St Alan Greenspan is suffering an image collapse, with some pundits even claiming he's lost the confidence of the bond market. If only there were a "we" would could take proper advantage! Doug

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 15:08:57 PDT 2003

25836 [lbo-talk] Bring Them Home Now: Leaflets & Website (from Stan Goff) -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >ANTI-imperialism is exactly the emphasis on negative proceduralism that I'm >talking about. It says nothing about what people want, only what they >don't. What it says in this case is that the U.S. has no business invading countries and occupying them. As for what people want, we can have no idea as long as B-52s and Bradley fighting vehicles are on the scene. Doug

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 14:24:53 PDT 2003

25837 [lbo-talk] limits -- rank: 1000

The egregious overposters are overposting again. You know who you are. Stop.

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 13:59:46 PDT 2003

25838 [lbo-talk] Law Student With a History of Taking Left Turns -- rank: 1000

Brad DeLong wrote: >Nor can I understand how anyone can fail to distinguish between Lee >Kuan Yew's Singapore and Mao Zedong's China. Of course they're different, but what are the relative developmental prospects for a tiny city-state with a long history as a port and trading post and a gigantic, isolated, and mostly agrarian country? It's not like China could have woken up one morning and said, "Gosh, I think I'll become a hotbed of electronics and finance" and accomplish the ta ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 13:27:00 PDT 2003

25839 [lbo-talk] off to Canada -- rank: 1000

NEW YORK (AP - July 19) - For all they share economically and culturally, Canada and the United States are increasingly at odds on basic social policies - to the point that at least a few discontented Americans are planning to move north and try their neighbors' way of life. A husband and wife in Minnesota, a college student in Georgia, a young executive in New York. Though each has distinct motives for packing up, they agree the United States is growing too conservative and believe Canada offer ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 13:19:35 PDT 2003

25840 [lbo-talk] Bring Them Home Now: Leaflets & Website (from Stan Goff) -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >At some point, the US left has to get beyond all its procedural bases for >foreign policy and decide, in alliance with other global folks around the >world, what is the moral basis for the international order. The human >rights movement, which I don't agree with across the board, at least has a >general idea of what it wants beyond a purely negative "US out of >everywhere" proceduralism. That's a weird definition of proceduaralism - it's just ba ...

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25841 [lbo-talk] celebs 4 Dean -- rank: 1000

<http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html> Nothing fascinates a good political reporter more than an invitation to a fundraiser; the opportunities for anthropological work are endless. So as we considered the August 3 morning fundraiser at the home of Diane English in Edgartown, Mass. ("Parking in this area is extremely limited. Please consider carpooling."), it was hard to know where to look most intently. Rob Reiner, Steve Grossman, Mary Steenburgen, Ted Dan ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 10:51:42 PDT 2003

25842 [lbo-talk] it took 200 Americans 4 hours to kill 4 Iraqis -- rank: 1000

U.S. Kills 'High-Value' Iraqis in Siege By Miral Fahmy MOSUL, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. troops stormed a house in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul on Tuesday and said they killed four high-ranking allies of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites). Some 200 soldiers blasted the villa with machineguns and rockets during a four-hour battle before storming in to find four bodies, U.S. officers said. They declined to identify them or comment on local rumors Saddam's sons might have been present. The U.S. force ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 22 07:59:15 PDT 2003

25843 [lbo-talk] Re: Law Student With a History of Taking Left Turns -- rank: 1000

Brad DeLong wrote: >This is the first time I've ever seen anybody support Stalin's line: >"one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic". Hey, it worked for the U.S. in Indochina. Doug

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Date:	Mon Jul 21 16:25:36 PDT 2003

25844 [lbo-talk] next time we'll get it right, say Bushies -- rank: 1000

[Thanks to FAIR for circulating this one, from the July 18 L.A. Times. The full story to which this is the conclusion is at <http://www.latimes.com/la-na-postwar18jul18,1,7312078.story>.] Looking to the Future As Bremer now struggles to normalize Iraq amid rising violence and the destabilizing likelihood that Saddam Hussein is still alive, Rumsfeld and other administration officials have taken to pointing out the chaos that has followed similar events in other countries, including the Amer ...

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Date:	Mon Jul 21 12:13:45 PDT 2003

25845 [lbo-talk] Re: Bee Seeing you -- rank: 1000

<jbujes at covad.net> wrote: >If you're writing simply to rant and to insult people, you're done >now I think. >We've seen your repertoire. Thanks. If it's more than about that >then, please, > >Who are you? > >What do you want? It tried to re-sub, and tried to post three times. Thanks to the miracles of technology, all were rejected. Doug

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