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24091 [lbo-talk] RE: Calculated provocation -- rank: 1000

MOTECK1457 at aol.com wrote: >The murder of Daniel Pearl . . . the synagogue bombings in Istanbul >. . . the beating up of Jewish teens in France . . the elderly >Israeli holocaust surviver suicide bombed at a Passover seder.". >.disgusting does not half cover it." I was talking with my host here at Grinnell last night, who spends a lot of time in Paris. He says antiwar demos there frequently feature "Death to the Jews" as a slogan, and the level of anti-Semitic a ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 09:56:23 PDT 2004

24092 [lbo-talk] Victory to Iraq! -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >Brad Mayer: >> >> Here's some photos of the "antimoderns" slaughtered by DeWrongs' >> minions. How the other side glories in its bloody delirium! > >It is one thing to disagree with Mr. DeLong's views, but blaming him for >the atrocities committed by the US ruling class and their mercenaries >over whom he (or, for that matter, anyone on this list) has no >influence is way too farfetched. But entirely characteristic of Br ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 09:37:07 PDT 2004

24093 [lbo-talk] US: The illusion of permanence -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: > For one thing, the US gained its superiority as a result of >historical accident Do you really call the rise of a near-continent with lots of natural resources and temperate weather inhabited by a population of ambitious upward-striving immigrants a mere historical accident? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Apr 8 14:01:05 PDT 2004

24094 [lbo-talk] A Calculated Provocation -- rank: 1000

MOTECK1457 at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/7/2004 6:15:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, >lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com writes: > > >..."Death to America! Death to Jews!" Mr. Sadr's supporters shouted. > >Does this bother anyone on this list, or is "Death to Jews" an >acceptable slogan as long as the sloganeer is deemed >"anti-imperialist"? Well, being American, I can't say I'm entirely fond of "Death to America!" Death to Ameri ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Apr 8 07:48:07 PDT 2004

24095 [lbo-talk] A Calculated Provocation -- rank: 1000

Ignore each other, please. Doug Chris Doss wrote: >And the pseudo-Trotskyist "a pox on both your houses!" kneejerk >reaction begins... > >I swear, you would have been distributing literature on Cherokee >scalping practices during the Trail of Tears. > >Michael Pugliese <michael098762001 at earthlink.net> wrote: > >Takes two to tango... >From the lead editorial in today's WSJ, "As recently as last Friday, >Mr. Sadr declared, 'I am the beating ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Apr 7 04:15:40 PDT 2004

24096 [lbo-talk] one dimensional... (was Moment of the 'Necessary Bloodbath' has arrived?) -- rank: 1000

Stephen E Philion wrote: >brad mayer wrote: >That moment may have arrived. This whole episode smells like a >premeditated provocation straight out of the Ariel Sharon playbook. And >it makes sense - why would the Bushies set a hard and fast date for >"handover" (to help get Bush re-elected), only to allow whatever >pathetically weak puppet regime they left behind to be immediately >overthrown? > >--i think doug has a point here, what makes you think that th ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Apr 6 20:50:12 PDT 2004

24097 [lbo-talk] Paul Felton: Open Letter to Progressive Democrats -- rank: 1000

Bill Bartlett wrote: >Tell me a Tasmanian in New York would get the same treatment. <:-) >My daughter just arrived there today, will she be able to command >the attention of the mass media, assigned the status of honorary >"expert" on international affairs, by dint of being in possession of >a back-pack? We expect reciprocal treatment you realise? ;-) Ha, good luck to her. We've now got a couple of Aussie restaurants in NYC, where you can get emu carpaccio or 'roo ba ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Apr 6 17:04:42 PDT 2004

24098 [lbo-talk] Paul Felton: Open Letter to Progressive Democrats -- rank: 1000

Bill Bartlett wrote: >One of the more interesting things I learned from the pair was that >the phenomenon of the Tasmanian cultural cringe meant that media >attention could be got simply by bringing someone from interstate or >overseas to say the same thing as a local would be ignored saying, >but that someone from outside would be more likely to be listened >to. As they explained it, in Tasmania an "expert" is defined as >anyone with a suitcase in his hand! Ha. Wh ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Apr 6 16:09:31 PDT 2004

24099 [lbo-talk] Sadr's popularity -- rank: 1000

Dwayne Monroe wrote: >Max (quoting "The Post") says 6,000... > > >Michael P. (quoting the WSJ) says 3,000... Even 3,000 seriously pissed off people with weapons can cause a lot of trouble. It seems nuts to dismiss them for their size (esp using estimates that come from the U.S. military, which wants to underestimate their opponents). Doug

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Date:	Tue Apr 6 11:45:54 PDT 2004

24100 [lbo-talk] Sadr's popularity -- rank: 1000

Brad Mayer wrote: >This WP article gives a good taste of what the US is up against. > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53057-2004Apr5.html > >Note the targeting of ambulances, systematic shooting of kids in the >head - sound familiar? > >Now _thats_ the Israeli influence. The effect of training by Isreali >advisers. Why do you have to point that out constantly? It's seriously creepy. The military that firebombed Dresden and killed three million Indochin ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Apr 6 11:23:20 PDT 2004

24101 [lbo-talk] Poppy opposed W's war -- rank: 1000

New York Daily News - April 6, 2004 Book: Poppy opposed Dubya's war By THOMAS M. DeFRANK DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF WASHINGTON - A new book on the Bush political dynasty claims former President George H.W. Bush opposed last year's invasion of Iraq. In "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty," Peter and Rochelle Schweizer cite as evidence a summer 2002 interview in which the older Bush's sister said her brother had expressed his "anguish" about the administration's preparat ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Apr 6 07:06:58 PDT 2004

24102 [lbo-talk] priorities -- rank: 1000

Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport writes in today's Tuesday Briefing: >The recent April 1-4 Pew Research Center poll showed that Americans >are paying more attention to the price of gasoline than they are to >Iraq or the 9/11 commission hearings. Doug

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Date:	Tue Apr 6 06:54:19 PDT 2004

24103 [lbo-talk] Paul Felton: Open Letter to Progressive Democrats -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >The San Francisco mayoral election is hardly the biggest or most >significant mayoral election in the nation. As a matter of fact, >the Democratic Party establishment did more to defeat Green Matt >Gonzalez than Republican candidates in most elections for governors, >congressional representatives, etc. If I lived in SF, I'd probably have voted for Gonzalez. There was little to lose and something to gain. But there's no analogy between that and the U.S. pr ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Apr 6 06:47:36 PDT 2004

24104 [lbo-talk] Nader-Kerry meeting "may be in the works," maybe -- rank: 1000

Kerry Says Nader Meeting May Be 'In the Works' WASHINGTON (Reuters) - White House hopeful John Kerry (news - web sites) said on Monday a meeting may be "in the works" with Ralph Nader (news - web sites), whose own bid as an independent is seen by some Democrats as a potential boost to President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election chances. "I'm going to talk directly to people who in the past have been inclined to support Ralph Nader," the Massachusetts senator told reporter ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 5 17:12:27 PDT 2004

24105 [lbo-talk] Service Sector Springs To Life - CEO Confidence High -- rank: 1000

This stuff is real - be careful of too much reflexive lefty skepticism. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 5 17:07:53 PDT 2004