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23416 [lbo-talk] plagiarism watch -- rank: 1000

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Dec 22 10:16:45 PST 2004

23417 [lbo-talk] Re: The Occupation -- rank: 1000

John Bizwas wrote: >Finally, as for the indiscriminate violent nature of the insurgency, >that's more a begged question than any serious analysis. Look at how >indiscriminate the US has been in its bombings of Sadr City, Najaf, >and Fallujah. The recent attack on the US military in Mosul wasn't >indiscriminate; if it's war, that was a military target. Yup, it's a legitimate military target. But what kind of argument is this? The U.S. does it too! The U.S. is fighting a barbaric wa ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Dec 22 06:44:05 PST 2004

23418 [lbo-talk] GM something... -- rank: 1000

Chuck Grimes wrote, quoting me: >I don't want Monsanto running it, >but what, in principle, is wrong with biotech? You guys probably >would have opposed traditional animal and plant breeding too. Doug > >--------- > >As I tried to explain to my kid on Sunday, the issue is not the >science or the `safety'. The issue is the political economic of GM. It >is a means (a new, more pervasive, deeper and more thorough means) of >corporate control over the production of food ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Dec 22 06:37:58 PST 2004

23419 [lbo-talk] The Occupation -- rank: 1000

C. G. Estabrook wrote: >Are theocrats and Ba'athists ipso facto debarred from demanding that >occupying armies leave their country? No. There is a question, within UFPJ and elsewhere, of whether the antiwar movement should "support" (whatever that means) the resistance. The nature of the resistance does have some relevance for that issue. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Dec 22 06:36:57 PST 2004

23420 [lbo-talk] The end of warfare? -- rank: 1000

Leigh Meyers wrote: >If I remember correctly, Saddam Hussein was an elected leader, so why >wasn't it "democratic"? What was it, 99% of the vote with 99% turnout? Who were those holdouts, I wonder? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 14:50:18 PST 2004

23421 [lbo-talk] The Occupation -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Christian Parenti understands one crucial point -- Iraqis' self >respect -- much better than Doug makes him sound like There are at least two points here that you're conflating. Iraqis want the Americans out (and a lot more than they did a year ago, when there was some willingness to cut the U.S. some slack), but the resistance includes some really bad people (theocrats and semi-fascist Ba'athists). The situation sounds extremely messy and complicated, and not at a ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 14:32:53 PST 2004

23422 [lbo-talk] The Occupation -- rank: 1000

Leigh Meyers wrote: >I think Christian Parenti's comments above exemplify the reason >why intellectuals are so often the first to be lined up and shot... Yeah, asking people questions, thinking about their answers, and thinking about what you've seen and heard should be a capital offense. There are a lot of wise and brave souls far from the action, aren't there? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 13:23:18 PST 2004

23423 [lbo-talk] The Occupation -- rank: 1000

lweiger at umich.edu wrote: >Quoting Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com>: > > >> They're absolutely right to resist, > >Why? To quote George W. Bush, "They don't like being occupied. I wouldn't like being occupied either." Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 13:17:41 PST 2004

23424 [lbo-talk] Insularity ( Was pale male : question to newyorkers...) -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: >it is one of the >heartbreaks of my life thahn even at my inflated >salary I cannot afford to live in NYC. Specifically in >Manhattan. It's kids that are the killer. It's expensive, but not *that* expensive. The median HH income in my zip code (10024) is $98,541. (I'm here thanks to a rent stabilized apartment I've been in since 1979; I doubt I could afford to move in today.) There are good neighborhoods in Brooklyn with median incomes below yours in Evans ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 11:26:15 PST 2004

23425 [lbo-talk] The Occupation -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >It can't be that Iraqis can't believe Iraqi resistance fighters >would kill other Iraqis -- they know that resistance fighters have >and will kill collaborators who work for the occupier as >politicians, soldiers, policemen, translators, and so forth. >Christian Parenti must have meant that many Iraqis attribute the >sort of attacks that will make it difficult to unify Iraq to the >work of US or Israeli intelligence agents. That is promising. They ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 10:50:09 PST 2004

23426 [lbo-talk] The end of warfare? -- rank: 1000

joanna bujes wrote: >Iraq: to establish a permanent military presence in the Middle East >and to destroy the possiblity of secular democracy in the region. Secular democracy? Saddam was doing a good job of preventing that from taking root! Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 10:41:33 PST 2004

23427 [lbo-talk] emoticons -- rank: 1000

Ooops, sorry about the query on emoticons. The new version of Eudora I just installed converts ASCII emoticons into pictures. Yuck. Thank god it can be turned off.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 10:27:01 PST 2004

23428 [lbo-talk] The end of warfare? -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >I've seen this movie before. However clichéd it >may be to compare Iraq to Vietnam, the fact is >that the US *is* acting out its fantasies of >power in Iraq in the same way it did in Vietnam, >and once again it is getting its tuchus handed >to it. Unfortunately, the US didn't learn any >lesson 30 years ago and doesn't seem likely to >learn any this time either. But Vietnam was left a wreck for 30 years, and about the only subsequent revolution in the ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 10:15:26 PST 2004

23429 [lbo-talk] Hobsbawm Interview: 'History Is No Longer Necessary' -- rank: 1000

uvj at vsnl.com quoted Hobsbawm: >George Soros, of whom I approve Wow. So Communism has come to this. Doug PS: I actually saw the two of them - Soros & Hobsbawm - in the same room at the launch party for Stiglitz' globalization book. I hadn't realized that fandom was part of the relationship!

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 10:10:22 PST 2004

23430 [lbo-talk] "pale male" ... question to new yorkers... -- rank: 1000

Where'd these jarring smiley-faced emoticons come from? They've only popped up in the last few days.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 21 10:03:12 PST 2004