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2341 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 20, 2011, at 9:23 PM, SA wrote: > On 8/20/2011 8:34 PM, // ravi wrote: > >>> It's not harmless if it's confused with politics. >>> >> Can you explain the harm? > > 1. It takes a lot of time, money, and effort from well-intentioned people that could be put to better use. > 2. It leads people to bring the weird, cultish outlook expressed in the text I quoted to whatever actual progressive politics they do engage in, reducing the appeal of that politi ...

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2342 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:22 PM, // ravi wrote: > In the above, Reed says what *isn t* a generic racism. But he doesn t say what *is*. http://www.antiracism.com/ http://www.timwise.org/ http://carw.org/

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2343 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 20, 2011, at 4:33 PM, // ravi wrote: > But they do. Which is the point of Joe s example. I sense that nobody, including Adolph Reed, wants to take to the street or whatever with calls for justice and equality while refusing steadfastly to explain where the injustice and equality lies (or why). Murder and oppression of Palestinians. Mass incarceration - more than any other country in the world. How much more specific can you get? > Reed s clever use of superlative in over-specif ...

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Date:	Sat Aug 20 13:41:45 PDT 2011

2344 [lbo-talk] Great Show -- rank: 1000

On Aug 20, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Chuck Grimes wrote: > Great show, meaning I learned a lot. Of course it was dark as hell. I had no idea Israel was such a mess, over and beyond the occupation. It was especially interesting to hear about the heavy handed economics of the settlements. The support of the poorer parts of the population for the right - including from the Arab Jews - was interesting. It ain't just Kansas. Doug

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2345 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 20, 2011, at 11:06 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > beats me. you didn't answer my question. why do you and others here care about the practical politics of anti-racism? Because people love to go, "that's racist!" (inspiring the name of a funny band), but they can't go beyond that. On this, I worship at the altar of Adolph Reed: http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Antiracism.html > The contemporary discourse of antiracism is focused much more on taxonomy than politics. It e ...

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Date:	Sat Aug 20 09:19:14 PDT 2011

2346 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 20, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Eric Beck wrote: > There *is* a hint of analysis-is-paralysis in the original question. > I'm not sure what it implies: If realities lead to no obvious > practical political programs, they can't be considered foundational > problems? they should be excised because they reduce clarity? No, the blank one draws on practical politics shows up the emptiness of the concept. If you can't address "racism" in any practical sense, how does applying the wo ...

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2347 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:43 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > At 11:09 PM 8/19/2011, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: >> I don't see anyone responding to Doug's point. >> >> What is the practical *politics *of anti-racism? > > who cares? Don't people who are always going on about racism care, if their concern is more than the moralizing sort? Doug

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2348 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:09 PM, wrobert at uci.edu wrote: > I was implicitly referring back to the question of 'attitude' earlier > in the conversation. To turn to the practical question, I can think > of a couple practical examples out of the trade union struggle. HERE > Local 17 made some interesting contributions in the late 90's. They > brought up the ways that companies were using immigration status to > engage in union busting, and eventually challenged the AFL-CIO's > ...

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Date:	Fri Aug 19 19:20:51 PDT 2011

2349 [lbo-talk] Shoplifters of the world, unite -- rank: 1000

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2011/08/19/slavoj-zizek/shoplifters-of-the-world-unite Shoplifters of the World Unite Slavoj i ek on the meaning of the riots Repetition, according to Hegel, plays a crucial role in history: when something happens just once, it may be dismissed as an accident, something that might have been avoided if the situation had been handled differently; but when the same event repeats itself, it is a sign that a deeper historical process is unfolding. When Napoleon lost at Leipzig i ...

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2350 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 19, 2011, at 5:45 PM, wrobert at uci.edu wrote: > I certainly don't agree with this. As Alan pointed out earlier, we can > still find forms of racism deeply embedded in the economic and > disciplinary structures of the country. Additionally, the gutting of the > social safety net has been legitimated through what Etienne Balibar calls > a differentialist racism not grounded in biology. Confronting those > policies also entails engaging with the forms of racism that leg ...

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Date:	Fri Aug 19 18:09:09 PDT 2011

2351 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 19, 2011, at 3:08 PM, SA wrote: > I still don't see what's gained from applying the word racist to it. A sense of moral clarity of the "end-of-argument" sort? It sure doesn't tell you anything about what to do about it. Doug

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2352 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alan Rudy wrote: > I saw it in the context of the larger thread's focus on how to engage race > - which CC didn't make explicit, but I see where you were coming from. Also, a point that Adolph Reed makes often, and one that Seth implicitly makes in his Jacobin piece, is that racism isn't what it used to be. Seth's article lists some "attitudes" held by conservatives towards black people. They're noxious, but they're a long way from Jim Crow and lynch ...

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Date:	Fri Aug 19 08:05:13 PDT 2011

2353 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Alan Rudy wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > >> >> On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: >>> The chief symptom of racism on the left is the failure to take seriusly >> the intellectual and theoretical importance of the Black Panthers. >> >> A group that essentially disappeared before half the U.S. pop was born? >> >> Doug > > > Like m ...

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2354 [lbo-talk] Are Conservatives Racist? -- rank: 1000

On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > The chief symptom of racism on the left is the failure to take seriusly the intellectual and theoretical importance of the Black Panthers. A group that essentially disappeared before half the U.S. pop was born? Doug

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2355 [lbo-talk] Gorbachev: I Should Have Left the Communist Party Earlier -- rank: 1000

On Aug 18, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > I think we should start another thread called "Rolling Stones, We Should Have Died in a Plane Crash a Long Time Ago." I wouldn't want them to go that way. I'd prefer they enjoy a quiet retirement.

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