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23206 [lbo-talk] Bush expected to announce candidacy any day now -- rank: 1000

John Halle wrote: >> >Having said that, there are reasonable arguments to be made against >> >Nader's candidacy, and I have made some of them myself, to Nader's >> >face no less. (I will share these with the list, if anyone's >> >interested.) >> >>Let's hear 'em > >OK I will, but before I do so, I want to see a good faith effort to >go through the intellectual exercise I mentioned-one which attempts >to attribute reasonable, though ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 17 07:46:00 PST 2004

23207 [lbo-talk] Volume Control -- rank: 1000

dredmond at efn.org wrote: >It's a stigmatizing, accusatory hypermoralism which >is more about discipline-and-punish, rather than instruct-and-emancipate. It's also about staking out your market niche - you can't be the baddest leftist on the block if you can't denounce all the others as stooges, dupes, and sellouts. Doug

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Date:	Mon Feb 16 13:31:20 PST 2004

23208 [lbo-talk] Bush expected to announce candidacy any day now -- rank: 1000

John Halle wrote: >A striking characteristic of the anti-Nader forces, typified by the >subject line here, is the belief that insult is likely to be more >effective than argument. One component of this strategy is to >attribute all sorts of bizarre, reactionary positions to Nader- a >recent post accusing him of opposing gay marriage is one instance. >The chapter on globalization in Doug's book also contains similar >exaggerations. Exaggerations? They were based on quotes fr ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 16 13:08:25 PST 2004

23209 [lbo-talk] why did W stop flying? -- rank: 1000

USA Today - February 16, 2004 Why Bush stopped flying remains a mystery By Dave Moniz and Jim Drinkard, USA TODAY WASHINGTON - Officers who flew fighter-jet patrols in the early 1970s with George W. Bush describe him as a gung-ho warrior and a gifted pilot who was popular in his Texas Air National Guard unit. This undated photo shows President Bush as a Texas Air National Guard fighter pilot. He sits in the cockpit of an F-102 jet. AFP/Getty Images file "He was a hell of a good pilot," ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 16 13:04:09 PST 2004

23210 [lbo-talk] LBO-Talk = Outliers (What Do The Iraqi Resistance Debates And The Mars Rovers Debates Have In Common?) -- rank: 1000

JBrown72073 at cs.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/16/04 1:06:32 PM, lbo-talk-request at lbo-talk.org writes: > >>Doug wrote: >>As Donna Brazile said the other day, she's been telling Sharpton that >>the main concern of the black electorate is getting rid of Bush, and >>all the evidence supports her analysis. As I've asked Cde Cox many >>times, in response to his frequent declarations that white leftists >>should yield to black leadership, why do you rej ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 16 10:47:17 PST 2004

23211 [lbo-talk] LBO-Talk = Outliers (What Do The Iraqi Resistance Debates And The Mars Rovers Debates Have In Common?) -- rank: 1000

Jon Johanning wrote: >On Monday, February 16, 2004, at 04:00 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >>"Everyone else"? Hardly. Actually, LBO-talk is about equally divided. > >You have forgotten the category I belong to -- those who really >don't know who the resistance in Iraq is, and are awaiting further >information. (Looks like the US gov. doesn't know either.) > >Of the participants in this discussion, I agree most with John >Lacny. I haven't posted anyth ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 16 10:11:22 PST 2004

23212 [lbo-talk] McClellan loses it -- rank: 1000

<http://washingtonian.com/inwashington/buzz/mcclellan0204.html> White House Press Secretary Lashes Out at Reporter: "There's a Difference Between Trashy Rumors and Journalism" Scott McClellan finally lost it Friday, according to White House reporters. He doesn't see it that way. The White House press secretary had kept his cool all week as reporters pounced on him about President George Bush's 1970s service in the National Guard. Facing perhaps his toughest week as press secretar ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 16 10:05:34 PST 2004

23213 [lbo-talk] LBO-Talk = Outliers (What Do The Iraqi Resistance Debates And The Mars Rovers Debates Have In Common?) -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >(A) Among the subscribers of LBO-talk who posted on the subject of >resistance fighters in Iraq, those who must have prompted Dwayne >Monroe to conclude that "Others (most, it seems) have decided that >all violent resisters are Ba'athist or Jihadist criminals; I believe >Rumsfeld used the term 'dead enders'; many on the left apparently >agree" are Seth Ackerman, Doug Henwood, John Lacny, Mike Larkin, >Grant Lee, and Luke Weiger. > >(B ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 16 09:45:50 PST 2004

23214 [lbo-talk] LBO-Talk = Outliers (What Do The Iraqi Resistance Debates And The Mars Rovers Debates Have In Common?) -- rank: 1000

Seth Ackerman wrote: >From: "Yoshie Furuhashi" <furuhashi.1 at osu.edu> > >> (A) Among the subscribers of LBO-talk who posted on the subject of >> resistance fighters in Iraq, those who must have prompted Dwayne >> Monroe to conclude that "Others (most, it seems) have decided that >> all violent resisters are Ba'athist or Jihadist criminals; I believe >> Rumsfeld used the term 'dead enders'; many on the left apparently >> agree ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 16 07:54:07 PST 2004

23215 [lbo-talk] State of Emergency - Melbourne -- rank: 1000

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::: S T A T E O F E M E R G E N C Y :::a convergence of ideas, actions and experiments::::: :::melbourne:::21-24 May:::2004::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: RED ALERT Armed guards patrol 'civilian' aircraft. Travellers from suspicious states entering the USA are fingerprinted and photographed. Anti-terror laws allow anyone to be arrested without warrants or legal representation. Arms budgets inf ...

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Date:	Sun Feb 15 22:00:33 PST 2004

23216 [lbo-talk] Alex Polier tells all! -- rank: 1000

[text with pic at <http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004072203,00.html>] The Sun (London) - February 16, 2004 John Kerry girl tells all From BRIAN FLYNN in New York THE beauty said to have had a fling with presidential hopeful John Kerry has recorded a bombshell tell-all interview. Journalist Alex Polier taped a talk with a US TV network at Christmas. The former Washington intern, 27, told all about an alleged fling with the 60-year-old super-rich senator in spring 2001. The channel is ...

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Date:	Sun Feb 15 21:28:14 PST 2004

23217 [lbo-talk] Bush courts Nascar dads at Daytona 500 -- rank: 1000

Bush Courts 'NASCAR Dads' at Daytona 500 By Caren Bohan DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) on Sunday traveled to Florida to kick off the Daytona 500 stock-car race and court "NASCAR (news - web sites) dads" -- a key voting group in the 2004 campaign. "Gentlemen, start your engines," Bush told the 43 drivers at Daytona. More than 200,000 people saw the race in person and an estimated 40 million watched on television. Clad in a black racing jacket ...

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Date:	Sun Feb 15 21:07:25 PST 2004

23218 [lbo-talk] overposting -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: 6 posts today, twice the limit. Is there some reason you should be exempt? Doug

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Date:	Sun Feb 15 20:08:19 PST 2004

23219 [lbo-talk] Funny German/bouncing -- rank: 1000

Chris Doss wrote: >Also, my hotmail account was bouncing; now my mail.ru is bouncing. >What gives? Does mailman refuse email emanating from the Eurasian >landmass?!?!? Hotmail has very low capacity; mailboxes fill quickly and bounce like crazy. (It also does terrible things to attachments. Hotmail sucks.) I don't know why your mail.ru mails are bouncing, but it's probably either a full mailbox or a stroked-out server. Doug

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Date:	Sun Feb 15 09:27:57 PST 2004

23220 [lbo-talk] Iraqi communists on "resistance" -- rank: 1000

Grant Lee wrote: >I guess some western sympathisers with the Iraqi resistance are hoping for a >mounting backlash in the US. But I'm not encouraged by the historical >precedents on that score, e.g. in spite of the 50,000 US dead, Vietnam >appears to have had few long-term political effects. Oh, it did. It inhibited the U.S. from direct military interventions (except cakewalks like Grenada), encouraged the use of proxies (e.g., the contras), ended the draft. Even the Bush admin unders ...

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Date:	Sun Feb 15 09:25:55 PST 2004